Homosexual Hell?(Clean.)

02-26-2007, 06:02 PM

If going to heaven and hell is only a question of forgiveness of sin, and repentence then what does the Christian God do to those that are homosexual?

If they regret being gay, do they go to heaven? But... if they're gay, that's how God made them. Wouldn't regretting it be going against God's plan?

What if they don't regret it? Some people believe there's a gene linked to homosexuality, others believe it's a psychological defect. I believe that people don't CHOOSE to be gay. Why would someone choose to be ostracised?

I'm bi, and was raised "lazy" Catholic (You know... I got all my major sacraments, but afterwards my parents got lazy and stopped bringing me to church, But I converted to paganism when I was around 14 or so after my parents forced me to recieve Confirmation) and I want to know from a Christian standpoint, if a person is okay with their sexuality of being bi or gay, do they go to Hell, or do they have to repent?

I'm probably not going to argue the point, but I'm curious as to what people say.

**Ristaron** · 02-26-2007, 06:05 PM

I'm not a Christian, so I can't give you the answer you're asking about... but I can say it's probably going to involve an in-depth look to the Bible's narratives concerning it (especially as to whether or not it considers homosexuality a choice or a 'defect').

So, for the sake of my own ego, I'll start it off with one of my new links:
God Hates Fags? Re-read Genesis 19, Folks![click]

02-26-2007, 06:13 PM

first off, your not born gay, Im not going to get into my explaination of that. it is said in the Bible that being gay is a sin. but all sin is forgiven as long as you truly repent your sins. if you try to ask forgiveness for something that you dont believe was wrong then your pretty much just lying so it doesnt count

**Ristaron** · 02-26-2007, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by pyr0matic

first off, your not born gay, Im not going to get into my explaination of that. it is said in the Bible that being gay is a sin. but all sin is forgiven as long as you truly repent your sins. if you try to ask forgiveness for something that you dont believe was wrong then your pretty much just lying so it doesnt count

Well, hate to break it to you, but I am gonna have to question those assertions unless you back them up.

02-26-2007, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SARS-expl0ted

girls, like you, like to claim it so they get more attention from guys.
Most girls tend to be bisexual more than lesbians because they want the guy to know that they have a chance with them.

I am tired of seeing attention whores. I really am.
It annoys me so much.

You aren't bisexual. You are fake.

Not so much. I was in serious, long-term lesbian relationships before I was ever with a guy, so the attention thing is out. I've also dated and had sexual relations with transexuals. Gender isn't an issue for me. It's not just a personal choice, it's just who I am. I'm more interested in intelligence than what's beneath the zipper of a potential mate's jeans.

However, instead of attacking a trivial background story, remember that it's not about me, it's about the question in general, which is. Do homosexual/Bisexual/transgender people go to hell, and why? A secondary question might be "What constitutes going to Hell, period?"

Connor · 02-26-2007, 07:07 PM

If you suspend disbelief and look at the world as a place steeped in sin, then this can become easier to explain. The world is sinful, and bad things that weren't meant to be in the world are in the world. Are there genetic dispositions to being gay? It's heavily debated, but it's not a problem if there is. I personally think that everyone is born not homo, hetero, or bisexual, but very sexual. It's just fact that humans are sexual creatures. I think it's not an issue of nurture versus nature, but nurture and nature. It's both, most likely.

As for Genesis 19, the link you provided makes ridiculous claims. First, God hates no one, but hates sin. Second, the men of Soddom were lusting after foreign flesh, and it was already stated that the towns were being destroyed because there were literally NO righteous people there at all. None... All of there thoughts were selfish and hateful at all times, even the inclinations of their thoughts. So the towns were destroyed because they were towns of sin, not because they were towns where a certain sin happened.

Finally, I believe that a person is judged based on their intentions and their actions, not by what they are tempted with. Can you judge an alcoholic for being tempted with beer if he refuses to indulge and make a bad decision that he KNOWS will have negative consequences? I don't think so. In any case, all sin is forgiven whether you make mistakes and sin after sins are forgiven. All means past, present, and future. So I don't think it's a big deal, really. I mean, how many times a day does a person sin without even knowing they did anything wrong? The answer is that it doesn't matter, because all sins are forgiven by grace.

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And for the record, I would like to say that it is most definitely a choice that is encouraged and influenced with situations that comfort one into feeling as though it is natural.

**Nøz** · 02-27-2007, 12:16 PM

Lets stay on topic this time kids.

The Pianist · 02-27-2007, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Ristaron

Well, hate to break it to you, but I am gonna have to question those assertions unless you back them up.

Romans something...You shall not lie down with a man as you shall a woman... It also goes on and condemns other sins as well.

**Nøz** · 02-27-2007, 08:09 PM

Romans 1:31-32
"They which commit such things are worthy of death."
Homosexuals (those "without natural affection") and their supporters (those "that have pleasure in them") are "worthy of death."

The Pianist · 02-27-2007, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Noz

Romans 1:31-32
"They which commit such things are worthy of death."
Homosexuals (those "without natural affection") and their supporters (those "that have pleasure in them") are "worthy of death."

Very colorful interpretation of that by the way.... Too bad you took out what they were talking about

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.