Homosexual Hell?(Clean.) - Page 7

**Ristaron** · 05-29-2008, 11:55 PM

Let's keep in mind, here, that in discussions in this section we leave out the possibility of God not existing. This makes for less conflict and more discussion, and I am not afraid to simply delete posts that grossly violate this simple rule. If you wish to have a secular or neutral discussion on homosexuality (or any other point that arises in a particular religious sub-section), either start it in the Atheism & Science section or the main Philosophy & Religion forum respectively.

The Pianist · 06-09-2008, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Kill

If going to heaven and hell is only a question of forgiveness of sin, and repentence then what does the Christian God do to those that are homosexual?

If they regret being gay, do they go to heaven? But... if they're gay, that's how God made them. Wouldn't regretting it be going against God's plan?

What if they don't regret it? Some people believe there's a gene linked to homosexuality, others believe it's a psychological defect. I believe that people don't CHOOSE to be gay. Why would someone choose to be ostracised?

I'm bi, and was raised "lazy" Catholic (You know... I got all my major sacraments, but afterwards my parents got lazy and stopped bringing me to church, But I converted to paganism when I was around 14 or so after my parents forced me to recieve Confirmation) and I want to know from a Christian standpoint, if a person is okay with their sexuality of being bi or gay, do they go to Hell, or do they have to repent?

I'm probably not going to argue the point, but I'm curious as to what people say.

Assuming that God made homosexuals homosexual.....

Static · 06-09-2008, 01:57 PM

I really wish people could grasp this, being gay is NOT a choice, I'm not gay and I don't have to be to be able to tell you that. Did you choose to be straight? Sexual orientation is not a choice, just like believing in God is not a choice. Christians (mostly) believe both of these are choices, but if you believe that, you better back it up with proof, because both claims are ABSURD! And if you take one look at them from a subjective view, you will see that.

When did you choose to be straight Pianist?
(if you chose to be straight, then at some point, doesn't that mean you were toying with the idea of being gay, which wouldn't look so great in the eyes of the almighty right?)

And what would your rational explination be for someone in today's society, with all the prejudice, all the hate, all the personal attacks, choose to be gay?

**Ginevra** · 06-09-2008, 08:29 PM

I dunno, I wonder sometimes how much it has to do with culture. Since straight is what's taught [mostly], which is not surprising as it is the match that produces children, it's what most people grow up believing they are going to be attracted to, and society will definitely tell you what to think is attractive. Some people for one reason or another may find themselves being attracted to the same sex, which could either mean that outside influences just pushed them in another direction, or that it's nature kicking in and them not denying it. Just thinking out loud... in text... whatever...

The Pianist · 06-10-2008, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Static

I really wish people could grasp this, being gay is NOT a choice, I'm not gay and I don't have to be to be able to tell you that. Did you choose to be straight? Sexual orientation is not a choice, just like believing in God is not a choice. Christians (mostly) believe both of these are choices, but if you believe that, you better back it up with proof, because both claims are ABSURD! And if you take one look at them from a subjective view, you will see that.

When did you choose to be straight Pianist?
(if you chose to be straight, then at some point, doesn't that mean you were toying with the idea of being gay, which wouldn't look so great in the eyes of the almighty right?)

And what would your rational explination be for someone in today's society, with all the prejudice, all the hate, all the personal attacks, choose to be gay?

I didn't say it was a choice, I simply stated that the whole basis of the discussion is assuming that God "made them homosexual". I never said that homosexuality was a choice, on the contrary, I think that it is based off of a person's surroundings. If you have two puppies that are brothers and you put one in an abusive home and the other in a loving home, obviously you will end up with two differently behaving dogs. I think it is the same thing with homosexuality more or less.

Also, what does me being Christian have anything to do with what I said? Another thing, if I were gay...I could still go to heaven. (As I stated before in one of the threads when I used to be active)

Germanboi · 06-10-2008, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by The Pianist

I didn't say it was a choice, I simply stated that the whole basis of the discussion is assuming that God "made them homosexual". I never said that homosexuality was a choice, on the contrary, I think that it is based off of a person's surroundings. If you have two puppies that are brothers and you put one in an abusive home and the other in a loving home, obviously you will end up with two differently behaving dogs. I think it is the same thing with homosexuality more or less.

This does not make any sense to me. I have three brothers and three sisters...all of which are straight, and I being the solely gay one out of the children. The only thing I can think about that separates myself from the rest of my siblings is that I was the only one not sexually molested or physically abused. Two of my brothers were physically abused, one brother and three sisters molested. (Believe me, none of them are over any of it, even though the perps had been sent to jail, and the whole time aspect..its been about 10 years since the last catastrophe has happened with my older sister) We were all brought up to be straight. My parents have always had the whole sterotypical boy and girl thing going on...bought cars/cool tools ect for us boys, and baby dolls/barbies for my sisters. I remember always being more feminin than my brothers. Wanting to watch my mom put on make-up...helping my mom plant things ect ect, I was close to my mom, but unlike most boys being momma's boys...I was more femmy and was a daddy's boy instead of a daddy's girl...as the labels go. God was always a part of our lives...I am 100% positive i was born this way and this is just how God intended me to be.

If you look at my family and what most people say, "Gays are made by being raped/molested/abused/lack of a father ect ect"...doesn't work for me sorry.

[M]anorexia Nervosa · 06-27-2008, 02:08 AM

I feel like this is becoming more a topic on the development of sexuality as opposed to the FATE of homosexuals. If you need/want to discuss that, either find an already existing thread or create a new one. Being one who has already strayed from the topic at hand I suggest we stay on topic.