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02-16-2007, 03:27 PM
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Do religous soldiers go to hell?
I don't believe in hell but it seems a question I would love to be answered by religious war supporters. Video his responding to: A military judge granted a Marine corporal's request to withdraw his guilty plea to charges of murdering an unarmed Iraqi civilian who was dragged from his home and shot. Cpl. Trent Thomas asked to change the plea, saying he no longer believes he is guilty. Thomas now says he believes he was following a lawful order. View and comment. |
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02-17-2007, 01:36 AM
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Well, not exactly a religious War Supporter, but I am religion and I do Support the troops anyway...
First of all, I don't think Hell is a lake of Cold fire with sulphurous smoke and endless pain and suffer, and I say that because before the Catholic movement (no haters please, if you want the WHOLE story, pm me.) there was no Three headed man-beast with horns and a tail that whispered sweet nothings in your ear that drove you to commit unforgivable sins. Ok, on the the topic.... Do religious soldiers go to Hell? Nope. God is a primarily benevolent being (Really! He is!) and forgives all who seek forgiveness. In the course of war, even if a person Kills or stands idly by while innocents are slaughtered around him, there is still hope for his or her immortal soul if they know where to find it. Christ happens to be the best way, for me anyway, and no one on this Earth would have a leg to stand on if they challenged my conviction. As for non-christian soldiers....well... I somehow doubt the big guy upstairs is going to condemn you if you manage to live a good life, I mean over in Iraq some suicide bomber may be kissing his beautiful wife goodnight and patting his 3 kids on the head and sending them to bed so that they'll all be asleep when goes and kills innocents in a blind attempt to seek the kingdom of God because that is the only thing he ever learned. We are often made slaves to our upbringings, and I wish I could quote the scripture that that reminds me of, but I'm still young in Christ. But Good people go to Heaven, Bad people don't. But I don't believe those bad people burn in hell either. |
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02-17-2007, 10:44 AM
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All the same, if it's a question of blame/responsibility... you always have a choice. You can go against an order if you know it is wrong, and face a court marshall but retain your humanity; or you can follow it and deal with the moral consequences. Anyone who orders such acts is guilty of whatever charges those who carry the acts out wind up accumulating. And I'll add that I can understand him getting pushed over the edge. It's literally a warzone over there, and there's only so much someone can tollerate before one loses control. And the fact that the enemy they're fighting wears no uniform is of no help. I'm not condoning his actions, though.
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02-17-2007, 11:41 AM
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Personally, I don't really think it's fair to judge if an offensive or defensive manuver was "moral" or not. They're just doing what they are told. Torture of prisoners is a little different, but at the same time, the ground troops who have been involved in that are just bad apples. Perhaps their violent perspective towards the soldiers was bred by being in combat itself, and in that case, they deserve compassion and empathy. We're all ultimately responsible for our actions, but we also all make choices that we regret at some point. We've all been pushed in a corner and we've all compromised our values when we're backed up against the wall. Also as someone who believes in God, I have no doubt that God has mercy on those who face the atrocities of war. Now the people pulling all the strings from their plush government offices while they send of other people's kids to die.......they may have to answer for a few decisions they've made..... but in the end, I don't think anyone really knows the answer to this question.
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02-17-2007, 11:54 AM
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- Ernest Hemingway
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02-23-2007, 09:05 PM
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Love the reference to Dante's Inferno, its not a question for us to answer if he is going to go to hell or not that lies in the soldier that killed that innocent man...
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04-11-2007, 03:44 AM
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salvation is based on belief in Jesus as your savior only, soldiers will not go to hell as long as they believe. Israel was a warring nation sent to slaughter their enemies while they were wandering through the desert with the arc of the covenant, as long as they kept their faith they were in God's favor
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04-11-2007, 06:33 AM
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I do not like the way he 'justified' the soldier though. He said that living with the fact that he did this would be punishment enough. He wanted to do it. I am not saying he is a murderer and he was doing it to set an example. I do not think any soldier should to go jail because they do something that they believe is right. IF he was ordered to do so most people think it is the higher officer's responsibility. It IS their responsibility but that does not make them wrong in their judgement. All this is, is a 'who is to blame' situation. Someone is trying to justify their actions by saying they were told to do so. I cannot tell if he is telling the truth or not. If he was told to do so then he was just doing his job. If they wanted to set an example, I hope they did. I hope they accomplished what they were trying for. Back to the original question. I cannot really answer honestly if he would go to hell or not because I am not a Christian but to my understanding, if he were to go to God and ask for forgiveness and really mean it...then he would be fine. Yes. Living with the fact that he killed the father of eleven children would be a horrid punishment but that does not justify him enough to get him out of jail. That is not reason enough. You cannot use that when you are in court. I just hope he has a good defense because he just finished his tour and then he is going to be taken back away from his family and loved ones. I think just sending him over to Iraq was punishment enough. Like he said about not being able to take it anymore...you can't. People will stand up for themselves when they have been pushed so far no matter what the situation. It always gets turned around though. A bully picks on this kid in school and finally the kid fights back and he is the one to get in trouble. It is true that this man did not do anything personally to the soldier. That is where his defense comes into fault. I just hope he was honetly ordered to do it and that the person who ordered him to do it will take responsibility but I wish them luck as well. Neither of them deserve to go to jail.
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