Demonic Intentions

NachtEngel · 03-07-2007, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brother of Yeshua

So if I told you an angel told me things about people around me, it would be acceptable? And how do we know that angels couldn't take forms of "familiar spirits" in order to comfort us? Or that God couldn't create these visions in the form of something we would recognize?

Ugh, I apologize because this is off topic. It does kind of relate in the sense that it seems that Christianity is awfully hung up on labels for things. Lord of the Rings is ok because J.R.R Tolkein was a Christian, but Harry Potter is evil because J.K. Rawlings wasn't friends with C.S. Lewis.

All fantasy is allegory for something else. The intent of the author is the most important thing, no matter what they use to tell the story.

Neither Harry Potter nor LOTR is really about wizards and magic. It's just a vehicle to tell a story.

Also, how would you know it is not a fallen angel talking to you? Would you just trust anything that says its from God? How would you decide if it is a messenger of God or something else?

Connor · 03-07-2007, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brother of Yeshua

So if I told you an angel told me things about people around me, it would be acceptable? And how do we know that angels couldn't take forms of "familiar spirits" in order to comfort us? Or that God couldn't create these visions in the form of something we would recognize?

Ugh, I apologize because this is off topic. It does kind of relate in the sense that it seems that Christianity is awfully hung up on labels for things. Lord of the Rings is ok because J.R.R Tolkein was a Christian, but Harry Potter is evil because J.K. Rawlings wasn't friends with C.S. Lewis.

All fantasy is allegory for something else. The intent of the author is the most important thing, no matter what they use to tell the story.

Neither Harry Potter nor LOTR is really about wizards and magic. It's just a vehicle to tell a story.

Anything spiritual that confronts you, you ask, "are you from Christ" If not, then it's not something to trust. There is power in the name, I've experienced spiritual things like this, so it's not an arrogant or ignorant opinion.

NachtEngel · 03-07-2007, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Connor

Anything spiritual that confronts you, you ask, "are you from Christ" If not, then it's not something to trust.

Why would something evil come to you in a ugly package? The best way to deceive someone is to trick them into thinking you are good or have good intentions. Something bad is not going to come to you in a unfriendly form.

Its not hard to lie.

**Ristaron** · 03-07-2007, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Connor

Anything spiritual that confronts you, you ask, "are you from Christ" If not, then it's not something to trust.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caderyn

Its not hard to lie.

'nuff said.

Connor · 03-07-2007, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ristaron

'nuff said.

Not in this case. I know what I've experienced, and I know that in the spiritual world, the name and power of Christ is feared. In the Bible, the demons know who Jesus is and plead with him for their safety.... they are under the ultimate authority of God, and they know who Jesus is in relation to that authority; God's son.

NachtEngel · 03-07-2007, 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Connor

Not in this case. I know what I've experienced, and I know that in the spiritual world, the name and power of Christ is feared. In the Bible, the demons know who Jesus is and plead with him for their safety.... they are under the ultimate authority of God, and they know who Jesus is in relation to that authority; God's son.

Thats like saying I cant tell you I am from Christ because I am under the ultimate authority of God. If something wants to tell you something it will. Unless you are saying the demons work for God in some way? Would that mean you believe God created demons? Also, don't get all offended like you do every time I speak my thoughts. I am asking serious questions I am curious to know your opinion on.

Thanks

Connor · 03-07-2007, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caderyn

Thats like saying I cant tell you I am from Christ because I am under the ultimate authority of God. If something wants to tell you something it will. Unless you are saying the demons work for God in some way? Would that mean you believe God created demons? Also, don't get all offended like you do every time I speak my thoughts. I am asking serious questions I am curious to know your opinion on.

Thanks

I'm not offended. But I have been. I will take this sentence to officially apologize for being a stick in the mud asshole... I'm really trying not to be, and I'm sorry for those I've wronged in the error parts of the trial and error dealie.

Anyway... It's a thing like this. A figure that claims to be from God shows up. I say something to the effect of, "In the name of Jesus Christ, are you sent from God?" and... that tends to work. He has extreme power, Christ.

God did create demons. He created a number of angels in eternity past, 1/3 of them, along with Satan, defied God and became fallen angels, aka demons, and the fate of the heavenly inhabitants was sealed; they had made their choice, some had chosen to deny God, most had chosen to serve God. God cast them out of Heaven and maybe cursed them, though I suppose that falling out of God's presence in and of itself could do the changing just because of the ultimately good nature of God and his presence...

I feel like demons can't lie to God... and so, asking them with the authority of Christ Jesus, aka God, they have to be honest.

03-07-2007, 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caderyn

Also, how would you know it is not a fallen angel talking to you? Would you just trust anything that says its from God? How would you decide if it is a messenger of God or something else?

if it goes against what God has lined up, then it's not from God.

**Nøz** · 03-08-2007, 01:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justus et peccator

if it goes against what God has lined up, then it's not from God.

And how would you know what God is thinking?

**Ristaron** · 03-08-2007, 08:51 AM

If Jesus has such sway over demons; how can he not rebuke the devil?
All he was able to do was deny temptation.

And Satan, according to Christian mythology, is just another fallen angel. A former Seraphim at that, but beneath the Father.

Everything I've read into the subject says demons can, and will, lie. I see no reason why they wouldn't present themselves as agents of Christ to fullfill their goals.