Creation and the Age of the world?

09-05-2007, 04:21 PM

Creation is a tough subject for many and all to discuss because we all seem to disagree on different parts of the same story. there is the belief that the earth was created in 7 days, the big bang theory, and many others, one being that we are fleas on a giant, who is the world.

I would like to know your opinions on this subject and I have a slightly unstudied theory of my own that i am going to suggest and i want you opinions on this also.

My theory: In the bible there is a verse, I am not sure where, but it states that a day to christ is different than that which we know. There is then a possibilitly that many of our theories are true, to an extent.

God created the world within 7 days, but it doesnt say if it is our day or gods day, if its our day that rules out many different preceptions, but because god was the only being at the time then maybe it is his day periods. These periods could be a few seconds to millions or billions of years. This could mean that god created the world in that period of time keeping us til last. this could support the big bang, who knows how god created the world he could have spoke which the bible states, and gods voice is to sound like thunder. The worlds could have exploded into being.

Dinosaurs are mentioned in the bible and noah did have them on the ark. they however were probably unable to survive due to adaptation problems.

if you have any questions just ask i want your opinions and thoughts

09-05-2007, 06:52 PM

I love that theory! In fact, I'm adopting it. It has everything I was thinking, just in a way that makes so much more sense. I'm going to look up that verse right now, I remember that one too.. It might take me a while though, it's a big book.

09-05-2007, 06:58 PM

I'm glad that you enjoyed it.

my mother had mentioned the verse to me once, and it stuck with me. then i got in a little arguement over well creation with a science teacher, needless to say he had no real arguement over something that he had no knowledge over.

if you find it let me know i would really like to have it

09-05-2007, 07:42 PM

I'm still looking. I'll ask my mum if she knows. I wish I could get my teachers engaged in a real conversation. They want to talk about irrellivant things like clouds instead.

Chase_the_Bass · 09-05-2007, 08:28 PM

It says somewhere, "A day is to the Lord 1,000 years, and 1,000 is a day."

That basically puts forth the idea that God is not bound by out ideas of time.

**Ristaron** · 09-06-2007, 03:15 AM

2 Peter 3:8
‘But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.’

What this always has been to me is evidence that the Bible is too vague to be trustworthy. As for whether or not it agrees with the scientifically determined age of the Earth (4.5 billion years), I've done this math before on here but I'll do it again.

The Bible says that the Earth is roughly 6,000 years old.
There are 365 days in a year, translating to each year measuring 365,000 years instead of one. That would mean that the Bible's measure of the age of the Earth is in the vicinity of 2.2 billion years. Which is less than half of the scientific result.

Even the 'like a thousand years' doesn't begin to cover the disparity between the results. It would have to read 'like many thousands of years' (closer to two thousand, at least).
Some people even say that the Earth used to spin faster, and thus Adam could have lived 900 years. But this is a flawed understanding of the Bible, which measured time by season and age (progression along the Equinoxes) and not day by day as the Egyptians did. One year was winter to winter, or spring to spring, not three-hundred and sixty-five days.
And in any case, all evidence that supports the idea that the Earth used to spin faster also says that it went through slower periods as well, but not in the last measure of millions of years was it ever such a great change that the ancient civilizations (who were very, very aware of the night sky) would even notice it.

I see the Genesis story of the Creation of the World as just another Creation myth, but that's my conclusion. And while I can't say that I was there, I can say that I drew that conclusion from information like the stuff I provided above. Sorry if I burst anybody's bubble with that information, by the way.

El Pirata · 09-06-2007, 10:41 AM

meh I have a mix of the both, as so happens with ancient people, sometimes they are not accurately able to describe or write down something that is so strange and unkown. I think the earth is 4.5 billion years old, but I also believe God created the universe 14 billion years ago. I think God brought about all the "accidents" and whatnot that created life, and so forth. Yes this also includes evolution. Anyways I could expand more, but the way I think God works, summing it up, is he works in the background and not directly, except in a few cases.

09-06-2007, 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ristaron

2 Peter 3:8
‘But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.’

What this always has been to me is evidence that the Bible is too vague to be trustworthy. As for whether or not it agrees with the scientifically determined age of the Earth (4.5 billion years), I've done this math before on here but I'll do it again.

Sorry if I burst anybody's bubble with that information, by the way.

Not at all, a day is like, not is, but like. You understand that God sent Jesus to the earth to bring the people of the world to resalvation, through preaching, teaching, and many other occurences(miracles). If you were taught about a society where a year is an extremely long amount of time, when measurments are not as advanced as today, would you understand the term Billion. it would be unacceptable to use words that you dont understand.
if you told a first grader that the homeostatic balance of an organism is based upon its ability to create metabolic reactions, they would have no idea what you were talking about.

you would instead say, that the reason people shiver is to keep warm. they would have a better understanding.
Now think if you lived during that time period, would you know what a billion was? no. its possible and believable through this verse to know that they understand the word thousand.

so god says that a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years is like a thousand days. it is possible to translate this as a parable of sorts.

your opinions on this?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chase_The_Bass

It says somewhere, "A day is to the Lord 1,000 years, and 1,000 is a day."

That basically puts forth the idea that God is not bound by out ideas of time.

Right. God is not bound by time, it says that he knows all and is all. He is the future and he knows what will happen. God is "time"

Now the 6000 years that the bible claims could be the last part of the 7th day. We will never know if God created the world, if it exploded into being. We can only hypothesize, that is what i have done. I have created a theory that supports not only christianity, but scientific considerations as well. It will take some research, and i hope that one day it could be an accepted theory, I am sure that it will gain the criticism that it recieve here as well. 6000 vs. 4.5 billion that is a big difference,

the major question is Why not how?

**Ristaron** · 09-06-2007, 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gyron

Not at all, a day is like, not is, but like. You understand that God sent Jesus to the earth to bring the people of the world to resalvation, through preaching, teaching, and many other occurences(miracles). If you were taught about a society where a year is an extremely long amount of time, when measurments are not as advanced as today, would you understand the term Billion. it would be unacceptable to use words that you dont understand.
if you told a first grader that the homeostatic balance of an organism is based upon its ability to create metabolic reactions, they would have no idea what you were talking about.

you would instead say, that the reason people shiver is to keep warm. they would have a better understanding.
Now think if you lived during that time period, would you know what a billion was? no. its possible and believable through this verse to know that they understand the word thousand.

so god says that a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years is like a thousand days. it is possible to translate this as a parable of sorts.

your opinions on this?

Right. God is not bound by time, it says that he knows all and is all. He is the future and he knows what will happen. God is "time"

Now the 6000 years that the bible claims could be the last part of the 7th day. We will never know if God created the world, if it exploded into being. We can only hypothesize, that is what i have done. I have created a theory that supports not only christianity, but scientific considerations as well. It will take some research, and i hope that one day it could be an accepted theory, I am sure that it will gain the criticism that it recieve here as well. 6000 vs. 4.5 billion that is a big difference,

the major question is Why not how?

I think that if Jesus came to enlighten and teach, he would teach important things like the age of the earth. After all, he was all-knowing and all-capable, he could have explained it to them in a way they'd understand.

People draw a line between spirituality and logic, saying that logic corrupts the beauty of simple belief. I can't fathom why anybody would take something for granted, I am far too skeptical to simply accept something so enormous as God without question.

But, I digress... why would you seek to merge science and Christianity? If the Bible is the way to Heaven, what use is science to you?

09-07-2007, 01:58 PM

Science and religion are not as separate as everyone is so pushed to believe. they do have many things in common. They both search for truth. They might seem to contradict, but in truth to a degree they agree, I do not try to merge science and religion they merge themselves. The theory i have stated is just building off of something already created.