What is more important to you? - Page 5

Static · 05-29-2008, 04:39 PM

-Upholding the United States Constitution

or

-Disregarding the United States Constitution and not worrying about impeachment proceedings because the election is so close and it would 'rip the country appart' (as if it isn't already...)

Seriously, this is what is has come to.

I sent a letter to senators Boxer and Feinstein, both D. CA, asking essentially why the hell the president and his entire fucking cabinet havn't been impeached yet, and both responses lingered on the lines of 'it's too close to election time, it would devide the country in a time when we all need to band together, I think they even mentioned it would weaken the democratic runner in the election against McCain! (which I think the opposite, I think it would show the democrats have balls who don't get pushed around)

In light Scott McClellen's book that was just published, I really think there's a strong case for impeachment, and with every passing day more evidence to impeach this administration is found. McClellen says the president lied about going to war; it was not just a case of "bad intelligence," but intentional deception. This is an impeachable crime.

So it seems to me this is the situation;

-The president (and his staff) have committed impeachable crimes (this is fact)
-The next presidential election is almost 6 months away and our representatives in congress (with the exception of Wexler and the judiciary committee) and the senate refuse to hold impeachment proceedings because it would (allegedly) devide the country and weaken the democratic frontrunner

So what does an American citizen do when the leaders of this country don't follow the rules?

...this is the type of stuff that breeds fanatical responses in the public sector. Does anyone else have a feeling of complete helplessness, like nobody will listen to you, and the ones that will won't do anything?

rightwinger · 06-21-2008, 02:50 PM

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He invaded Afghanistan and Iraq without a formal declaration of war, which is AGAINST the Constitution (source is my punch in your face if you argue this point because it's fucking plain as day written in YOUR bloody Constitution which you should know better than I do anyways!)

I would have hoped, you'd reference the specific passage in the Constitution, and also the relevant Supreme Court decisions, and other laws in the US, relating to the same subject.

Instead of your punch in my face.

eta: And I am not sure if I know the Constitution better than you do. I've read it, and I own a copy (the little pocket copy), but I haven't really studied Constitutional law or anything.

**Ristaron** · 06-22-2008, 01:47 AM

To my knowledge there were no Supreme Court rulings regarding the unconstitutional nature of the insurrection into the Middle East. Given that the Supreme Court just released a stinging rebuke to Bush's denial of habeas corpus to the detainees of Guantanamo Bay, I am not surprised that the Bush administration hasn't brought their pivotal campaign before other parties.

As for my familiarity with the U.S. Constitution, my point was that I'm not a U.S. citizen and therefore I have no business knowing the Constitution better than a resident of the U.S., and it's a little shameful on the part of the person who's law it is who doesn't know it better than a foreigner.
To be honest, I haven't gone much into it myself given that I follow the Canadian Constitution (most prominently the Chartar of Rights And Freedoms) and not the United States Constitution.