So about 9/11.....

**Brother of Yeshua** · #1 (**permalink**) 01-19-2008, 08:55 AM

So hey just throwing this out there to those of you who believe that the government is responsible in some capacity, including simply ignoring the impending attack, I had something I wanted to bring up.

I'm wondering at this juncture if focusing on 9/11 is really our best option. I mean yeah it's awful and it's shady, but most people refuse to believe it's possible, and there are so many other issues out there that people can buy into that illustrate the enamoring corruption of government in America.

I know personally I have just not had the energy to focus on it. There are too many other things, and with Ron Paul needing support, I think we may need to lay down some of the more divisive issues in the interest of spreading Truth.

Besides, I have no faith that any type of reinvestigation at this point would prove valuable. With over 2 Terabytes of emails missing from the white house and most of the wreckage melted down or destroyed, what do we have to use as evidence? And would it even be honest if there was another one?

Maybe if Ron Paul becomes president we can go back and revisit this, but until then I just think it's time we move on to more productive means of political activism.

Thoughts?

Static · 01-19-2008, 11:10 AM

I think 911 is the biggest piece of evidence we have supporting this whole movement. Yeah, a lot of people don't buy (for whatever reason) that there is fact to what we say, we don't just say random shit (not all of us anyway). If they choose not to believe it, at this point, I'm seriously starting to say 'fuck it, you're on your own when the shit hits the fan then, don't come crying to me later'. If people are too stupid to even consider it as a possibility, then they don't deserve to be in the future. If we have evidence as good as 911, and this many people STILL don't fucking buy it, what makes you think anything else would have any sort of change? You'd have to have fucking Bush himself come on national tv and confess to some shit for some people to believe their King could ever be responsible for something like that, and even then I'm sure you'd get the mega retards who still wouldn't believe it...
And all this voter fraud diebold BULLSHIT is totally pissing me off, it is a fucking FACT there was voter fraud in Sutton County in NH, now hundreds of reports are coming out about fraud already happening in SC... Like I was telling my sister, if one fucking citizen has an issue with the way his vote is cast, be it he doesn't trust that it was correctly done, or he fucked up, ANYTHING, ANY REASON WHAT SO EVER, they should change it, because that one citizen is being excluded from his Constitutional rights! Yet litterally THOUSANDS of people feel this way, and all they do is release statements saying shit like "I assure you, the electronic voting system is fullproof"... I really do feel like they are stealing this election, makes me sad to call myself an American.

Oh, and by the way, did anybody else hear that Canada put the US on their list of countries who torture people... Nice little rep you've got going for us there Bush... thanks!

**Brother of Yeshua** · 01-19-2008, 12:44 PM

I did hear that, and you raise good points. I don't mean to say we shouldn't talk about 9/11 anymore, but right now I believe focus should be primarily on regime change to begin dismantling the construct.

I still research and discuss 9/11, but it's not my "passion" at the moment so to speak.

Thanks for the input.

tombinghamthegreat · 01-19-2008, 01:11 PM

I wonder about 9-11 but the "9-11 truthers" have caused harm to RP winning. Also at this moment the movement should hold off. Spend the time to film, plan, investagate and make a effective arguement. After the election then move again. Just my opinion. I don't believe that the government got their hands dirty but there is enough evidence to say that they may have been responible to some degree, like failing to respond. Also these things tend to hard to prove but there should be more investagation on the matter.

**Ristaron** · 01-19-2008, 02:04 PM

At the moment, showing that much of Ron Paul's support comes from "conspiracy theorists" isn't helping him much. If I were to state my priorities, it would be to first get someone in who wouldn't orchestrate these kinds of false-flag attacks, and then to spread the overwhelming evidence that the Bush administration was responsible, and then to hold those major players accountable.

I don't mean to offend, but in the larger picture, two thousand people dead isn't a huge amount. Look at the genocides in Darfur, or the Holocaust, or even the reign of the Khmer Rouge. What makes this such an important event was that the people were killed by their own government to facilitate a steady decline into oppression. What needs to happen is for someone new to come in and give people back their liberties, and then we can explore what happened without fear of the government squashing us.

People should not be afraid of their governments, governments should be afraid of their people. -V

**Brother of Yeshua** · 01-19-2008, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Ristaron

At the moment, showing that much of Ron Paul's support comes from "conspiracy theorists" isn't helping him much. If I were to state my priorities, it would be to first get someone in who wouldn't orchestrate these kinds of false-flag attacks, and then to spread the overwhelming evidence that the Bush administration was responsible, and then to hold those major players accountable.

I don't mean to offend, but in the larger picture, two thousand people dead isn't a huge amount. Look at the genocides in Darfur, or the Holocaust, or even the reign of the Khmer Rouge. What makes this such an important event was that the people were killed by their own government to facilitate a steady decline into oppression. What needs to happen is for someone new to come in and give people back their liberties, and then we can explore what happened without fear of the government squashing us.

People should not be afraid of their governments, governments should be afraid of their people. -V

This is where I fall too. It's bad, but we have bigger battles to win if we want to win this war.

Mainly electing someone who likes the Constitution.

Zen · 01-20-2008, 06:07 AM

My fear is now with no impeachment, if the Bush/Dick administration scandals aren't uncovered, and they aren't brought to justice, what stops them from continuing their political terror?

If this circle of massively corrupt politicians are let off, they will still be at large, and hording the enormous amounts of money they made from Iraq/Oil agenda...

If the Bush/Dicks' don't become seen as criminals, we'll inevitably see them again with new faces down the road, while the corrupt politicians pull strings behind the scenes...

Even worse, with the amount of money in who knows who's pocket, what stops them from funding another "terrorist" attack?
For example, if / when we pull our troops home, and these corrupt circles don't want a Ron Paul (or democratic) form of government, what better way to make the past mistakes look better, and the the new President look worse...

We'll have to see what happens, hopefully Ron Paul wins and the truth is uncovered, corruption lessened, and reparations paid...
But as you say, all in due time...
As truth is separated from conspiracy...

**Brother of Yeshua** · 01-20-2008, 07:05 AM

Well also, for me, if Ron Paul doesn't win the 2008 general election, for me it is right back to the drawing board, finding new ways to uncover government corruption and alert the masses.

So like I said, I'm not saying, in the words of Tony Soprano, "fuggeddaboutit" just let's place our focus and our primary energies and resources into the Paul campaign.

RATSOADM · 01-20-2008, 03:45 PM

Both are important, you have to pick your audience.. some people only care about gun control and their right to have arms.. some only care about the country and its sovereignty in the North American Union , some only care about the voting system and voting fraud, some only care about biased media, some only care about health and organic (GMO/FDA etc). Too many audiences to have any sort of blanket statement.

I say talk about what you know about most, and bring it up to those willing to listen. No subject should be taboo, and nothing should be focused one so much that everything else is ignored. Depending on where you live, the people, the time of day, the location you find them etc. it all varies.. .9/11 is very important, and it is not as important that we arrest the people (although it's very important) as much as educating the masses about what "false flag terrorism" really is.. and how it has gone on for centuries.

Also how it is being used to remove their rights and they still dont' even know what happened.. so they are basing the laws on something the government feeds us. The people who are lying and covering things up are the very same people who are forcing unjust laws on you.

Should you trust someone who lies about just about everything, and the same organization which is so corrupt nearly every single member is suspected, indicted, or just called "incompetent"? This is what people need to realize and 9/11 is a big key.. however of course sometimes the mere words "9/11" cause people to shut out.. so choose your audience.

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Originally Posted by Ristaron

At the moment, showing that much of Ron Paul's support comes from "conspiracy theorists" isn't helping him much. If I were to state my priorities, it would be to first get someone in who wouldn't orchestrate these kinds of false-flag attacks, and then to spread the overwhelming evidence that the Bush administration was responsible, and then to hold those major players accountable.

I don't mean to offend, but in the larger picture, two thousand people dead isn't a huge amount. Look at the genocides in Darfur, or the Holocaust, or even the reign of the Khmer Rouge. What makes this such an important event was that the people were killed by their own government to facilitate a steady decline into oppression. What needs to happen is for someone new to come in and give people back their liberties, and then we can explore what happened without fear of the government squashing us.

People should not be afraid of their governments, governments should be afraid of their people. -V

It was actually it was 3000 dead, and it was a pretty big event, all in a day. Not to mentioned the largest attack on America's Homeland ever. Now even Guliani mentioned he wants "someone like Dick Cheney" for his vice president...

I also do not believe for 1 second that 9/11 truthers hurt Ron Paul's chance of winning... if you watch the news they found one weird wrestler guy with "issues" who supported Ron Paul. He was in canada, and they made a big deal that he is the Ron Paul supporter...

If we searched out the most undesirable voter for Guliani etc. Im sure we would see some sway in votes.. the problem is not the random truther, random crossdresser, random racist, who votes for ron paul (that happens with ANY candidate, thats why its America). Its the news who makes a HUGE deal out of those little facts, and ignores the HUGE issues with other candidates (like having their pockets fattened by conflicts of interest).

Ignore the fact Ron Paul loves the constitution, lets talk about some redneck who voted for him... ignore the fact guliani has ties with the mafia, and lets focus on the illusion and lie that "everyone likes him" and "he single handedly saved every victim of 9/11" or whatever else stories they bring up..

SarahLessThan3 · 01-20-2008, 04:01 PM

I'm curious in this theory. I've seen a bunch of videos on YouTube about this but are there any other sources of the 'conspiracy' that I can take a peak at?