Report: Internet Outages Could Occur By 2010 As Capacity Stalls

Static · #1 (**permalink**) 11-24-2007, 11:07 PM

Report: Internet Outages Could Occur By 2010 As Capacity Stalls - Yahoo! News

Check this out, do you think this could be the end of the internet as we know it, and the new release of Internet 2.0? Something like this?

Swift19 · 11-24-2007, 11:19 PM

"Nemertes also said Congress should consider tax credits to spur Internet providers to add more broadband capacity."

prelude to Internet 2? i'm interpreting that as the taxes will be pushed upon consumers which pisses me off. i was wondering if the outages were confined to my area. Grand Rapids Michigan has been having outages rather frequently already (although oddly enough, at the university i go to their internet works just fine all the time).

**Ristaron** · 11-25-2007, 03:34 AM

Well, I shall just have to murder all my internet-browsing neighbours...

4n7hr4x · 11-25-2007, 04:21 AM

Or there really is no problem and this is all fabricated, intentionally causing internet outages creating the appearance that the internet as we know it today must be replaced, internet 2.0, with one which the government will have more control over.

The internet must remain free, it is our last and only refuge, if that goes we will all be royally FUCKED.

**Arcángel** · 11-25-2007, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Swift19

"Nemertes also said Congress should consider tax credits to spur Internet providers to add more broadband capacity."

prelude to Internet 2? i'm interpreting that as the taxes will be pushed upon consumers which pisses me off. i was wondering if the outages were confined to my area. Grand Rapids Michigan has been having outages rather frequently already (although oddly enough, at the university i go to their internet works just fine all the time).

I've noticed that universitiies have pretty high bandwidth connections. A friend of mine goes to Manhattan College (which ironically is in the Bronx) and they have an OC-3 connection.

I honestly think that part of the reason why these Internet outages are caused is because of so many newer things being rolled out at the same time. Take Microsoft's new networking protocol Teredo, which is based on the lastest generation of TCP/IP. As applications become more robust and as newer technologies are being written and deployed to support a widdening consumer demand (especially with ISPs and VoIP providers) while the necessity for a more secure, more stable and more relable network infrastructure is being felt by everyone from regular network users, network administrators, the bandwidth to support these newer technologies is going to be in continuous demand, especially for companies with multiple sites around the country which want/need to replicate their information to their headquarters in the most reliable manner (usu. over VPN's or secure high speed connections).

IPv6: Microsoft Internet Protocol Version 6 (IPv6)

Applications Benefiting from IPv6: Case Study: Can Applications Benefit From IPv6?

Another thing that I have been noticing recently from technet articles I have been reading is how the trend of attacks via the web is increasing. Since operating systems like Vista (eww) and Mac OS X are becoming more secure (when it comes to the main operating system), attackers are going to want to exploit newer web technologies as already seen on social networking sites such as MySpace, Hi5 and Sconex, where attacks can be as basic as a letter sent to a user to lure them to a malicisou site, to pages with malicious coding is embedded into it, exploiting newer vulnerabilities in web based languages and applications like Microsoft's Internet Information Services - an administrative interface deployed by microsoft since Windows NT, Sun Microsystem's JAVA, JavaScript, XML, CSS, ColdFusion and even basic HTML. Bottom line is, every new version of these technologies contain at least one vulnerability. The additional security updates obviously involve some sort of trade off, like a new way of authenticating to a network, a newer application or a client to install, a change to firewall rules or newer heuristics to antivirus definitions which respectively can result in a few more seconds added to connection times, a few less MB's of hard drive space on the client machine or server side, or a change in how some Internet based applications can interact with their clients beyond the gateway.

I wouldn't be too surprised to see a so-called "Internet 2.0" being taled about in the media sooner or later, especially if it is able to put these newer technologies, like TCP/IP 6 and Teredo to use and to be able to use new breakthrough protocols like this in a secure, safe and effective manner. Then again, if you think about it, with these newer technologies coming out, isn;t it already happening?

WillyBubba · 11-25-2007, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swift19

"Nemertes also said Congress should consider tax credits to spur Internet providers to add more broadband capacity."

prelude to Internet 2? i'm interpreting that as the taxes will be pushed upon consumers which pisses me off. i was wondering if the outages were confined to my area. Grand Rapids Michigan has been having outages rather frequently already (although oddly enough, at the university i go to their internet works just fine all the time).

Not taxes, but tax credits. As in, you make x amount of new capacity and we don't charge you as much in taxes. That sort of thing shouldn't affect us, save for increasing infrastructure. Of course, if the government just didn't charge as much in the first place... if it were smaller... hmmm, how could we make that happen?

Swift19 · 11-25-2007, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by El_Subestimado

I've noticed that universitiies have pretty high bandwidth connections. A friend of mine goes to Manhattan College (which ironically is in the Bronx) and they have an OC-3 connection.

I honestly think that part of the reason why these Internet outages are caused is because of so many newer things being rolled out at the same time. Take Microsoft's new networking protocol Teredo, which is based on the lastest generation of TCP/IP. As applications become more robust and as newer technologies are being written and deployed to support a widdening consumer demand (especially with ISPs and VoIP providers) while the necessity for a more secure, more stable and more relable network infrastructure is being felt by everyone from regular network users, network administrators, the bandwidth to support these newer technologies is going to be in continuous demand, especially for companies with multiple sites around the country which want/need to replicate their information to their headquarters in the most reliable manner (usu. over VPN's or secure high speed connections).

IPv6: Microsoft Internet Protocol Version 6 (IPv6)

Applications Benefiting from IPv6: Case Study: Can Applications Benefit From IPv6?

Another thing that I have been noticing recently from technet articles I have been reading is how the trend of attacks via the web is increasing. Since operating systems like Vista (eww) and Mac OS X are becoming more secure (when it comes to the main operating system), attackers are going to want to exploit newer web technologies as already seen on social networking sites such as MySpace, Hi5 and Sconex, where attacks can be as basic as a letter sent to a user to lure them to a malicisou site, to pages with malicious coding is embedded into it, exploiting newer vulnerabilities in web based languages and applications like Microsoft's Internet Information Services - an administrative interface deployed by microsoft since Windows NT, Sun Microsystem's JAVA, JavaScript, XML, CSS, ColdFusion and even basic HTML. Bottom line is, every new version of these technologies contain at least one vulnerability. The additional security updates obviously involve some sort of trade off, like a new way of authenticating to a network, a newer application or a client to install, a change to firewall rules or newer heuristics to antivirus definitions which respectively can result in a few more seconds added to connection times, a few less MB's of hard drive space on the client machine or server side, or a change in how some Internet based applications can interact with their clients beyond the gateway.

I wouldn't be too surprised to see a so-called "Internet 2.0" being taled about in the media sooner or later, especially if it is able to put these newer technologies, like TCP/IP 6 and Teredo to use and to be able to use new breakthrough protocols like this in a secure, safe and effective manner. Then again, if you think about it, with these newer technologies coming out, isn;t it already happening?

i appreciate your informed answer more than 4n7hr4x's answer. i didn't even know Microsoft was making a new networking protocol.

**Arcángel** · 11-25-2007, 07:33 PM

Lets just say that when it comes to this, I am all over it. I've watched the Internet grow since dialup on a 48.6 Kbps connection was the fastet thing on the block.

**Brother of Yeshua** · 11-25-2007, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4n7hr4x

Or there really is no problem and this is all fabricated, intentionally causing internet outages creating the appearance that the internet as we know it today must be replaced, internet 2.0, with one which the government will have more control over.

The internet must remain free, it is our last and only refuge, if that goes we will all be royally FUCKED.

Quoted for Truth.

Static · 11-25-2007, 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by El_Subestimado

Lets just say that when it comes to this, I am all over it. I've watched the Internet grow since dialup on a 48.6 Kbps connection was the fastet thing on the block.

oh shit! that's one of the positive things we could add to that 'what's our generation' thread, we created the fuckin internet, and made it what it is today!