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New CNN article compares Ron Paul to a "circus sideshow"

Link ---> GOP candidates to field YouTube queries with edgy race undecided - CNN.com


This is pathetic...
Despite the fact that its obvious so called "polls" are barely, if at all, including the insane amount of Ron Paul supporters, and Ron Paul's campaign money raising abilities...

Ron Paul is only mentioned in a mere breathe, not even an entire 1 lined sentence. In which he is the last to be referred and is only considered to be a "sideshow" in circus terms....



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ST. PETERSBURG, Florida (CNN) -- The Sunshine State takes center stage Wednesday night in the race for the White House as eight Republican presidential candidates face off in the party's first CNN/YouTube debate.


The Republican hopefuls will face off Wednesday in a CNN/YouTube debate, just as Democrats did in July.

more photos » With five weeks and one day to go until the first votes are cast in the race for the White House, the stakes could hardly be higher.

The candidates will be fielding video questions submitted by the public via the YouTube Web site, just as Democratic White House hopefuls did in July.

If you've noticed, and it's hard not to, an edgy battle for the GOP presidential nomination has turned even testier the past few days.

One reason for the bad blood is that the Republican race is still very much up for grabs, and the clock's ticking. Rudy Giuliani's the front-runner in the national polls, but the former New York City mayor is not the one leading the polls in most of the early primary states.

That candidate would be Mitt Romney. The former Massachusetts governor is ahead in state surveys in Iowa and New Hampshire. The Iowa caucuses, which will be held on January 3, kick off the presidential primary season. New Hampshire, which holds the nation's first primary, votes five days later.

Add to that a new twist in Mike Huckabee. The former Arkansas governor is moving up in the polls in Iowa and is now within striking distance of Romney. Watch disagreement over how to revive GOP brand »

"The GOP race is very much in flux right now. That's why elbows are out," said CNN Senior Political Analyst Gloria Borger.

"Romney, who thought he had a lock on Iowa and New Hampshire, is now looking in his rearview mirror and seeing others. Huckabee is a threat in Iowa, and anything can happen after that in New Hampshire."

Romney's been the front runner in Iowa for months, thanks the large amount of time and money he's spent in the state. Romney, as expected, won a Republican straw poll held in Iowa in August. But stealing the headlines was Huckabee, who finished a strong second.

"Rudy Giuliani is not a major player in Iowa since he, along with John McCain, skipped the straw poll. But Giuliani is undoubtedly cheering Mike Huckabee on," said CNN's other senior political analyst, Bill Schneider.

"If Huckabee overtakes Mitt Romney in Iowa, it will be a serious, perhaps devastating, blow to Giuliani's toughest competitor."


CNN/YouTube debate
GOP candidates face questions from YouTube.
Wednesday, 8 p.m. ET

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Wednesday's debate is the first time the GOP White House hopefuls have faced off on the same stage in over a month.

Since then the tough talk between Giuliani and Romney has intensified, and the campaigns of former Tennessee Sen. Fred Thompson and Huckabee have continued pushing their way into the picture.

"The debate Wednesday night will be a three-ring circus. In the center ring, Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney continue their smack down," Schneider said.

"In the second ring, Mike Huckabee tries to duck as his competitors throw brickbats at him, trying to expose his record in Arkansas as un-conservative.

"In ring three: Fred Thompson and John McCain try to grab the spotlight with some daring moves on the trapeze. There is also a sideshow: Ron Paul. Step right up, folks," says Schneider.

The CNN/YouTube debate also puts Florida in the political spotlight. The Sunshine State is used to playing a decisive role in the general election. Who can forget the Florida recount that decided the 2000 election between George W. Bush and Al Gore?

But Florida hasn't played a crucial role in primary politics in a generation. That's changing. Now that the state's moved up the date of its primary to January 29, Florida has become a primary player. Wednesday's debate will be the third presidential showdown held in Florida this year.

Adding to Florida's importance is what follows its primary. Florida is the last state to vote before Super Tuesday. That comes one week later, on February 5, with contests in more than 20 states from coast to coast, including California, Illinois and New York.

Florida is also crucial for Giuliani. It could be his political firewall if he loses the contests in the states that vote first.

Giuliani has led in all recent polls of Republican Floridians, including a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey released Tuesday. That poll of the state's likely Republican primary voters put Giuliani 21 points ahead of Romney, his nearest rival.

"Florida is a pivotal state. It comes before the Super Tuesday primaries of February 5th, and it's a very vital state to Giuliani campaign," said Bill McCollum, Florida's attorney general and Giuliani's state campaign chairman.

But the Giuliani campaign may be changing its strategy.

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"As for Giuliani, he seems to be rethinking his Super Tuesday strategy," said Borger. "He knows that if Romney wins in Iowa and New Hampshire his momentum could be too great to stop. So expect a real fight on Wednesday night. These men are not going to leave anything unspoken."

The questions they will field in the groundbreaking format won't come from journalists. Instead, they are user-generated content from ordinary people.

CNN anchor and debate moderator Anderson Cooper and a team of CNN political journalists have been poring through the nearly 5,000 video questions that were recorded and submitted through YouTube.

It's only the second time such a debate has taken place. The Democratic candidates faced in July in Charleston, South Carolina, in a similar format. That debate christened YouTube as a venue for prodding politicians and a way to get the public directly involved.

While the format is the same for the Republican candidates, don't expect to hear similar questions.

"This debate is to let Republican voters pick from among their eight candidates," said David Bohrman, Washington bureau chief and senior vice president for CNN. "We are trying to focus mostly on questions where there are differences among these candidates."

The format of this debate is all new to the Republican presidential hopefuls, and that's part of the excitement. The candidates and their campaigns have no idea exactly what to expect.

"There is some sense of the unknown, and so they're going to be a little bit out of their normal comfort zone, which is a good thing," Bohrman said
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Old 11-28-2007, 11:53 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I am not suprised. The more they attack Ron Paul, the more attention he gets.
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yup, any coverage is good coverage, all that shit is going to do is make all the Ron Paul supporters support him even more... these people are a bunch of geniuses...
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I'm sorry but anyone who's up for 'getting rid of certain financial institutions' put in place during the inception of our country is a little out there. The FED is the only reason his campaign dollars are worth anything right now. The LAST person who tried to abolish the bank ended up being the closest thing America has ever had to a dictator. Ron Paul's dreams will never become reality, and if they do, God help us all.
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I'm sorry but anyone who's up for 'getting rid of certain financial institutions' put in place during the inception of our country is a little out there. The FED is the only reason his campaign dollars are worth anything right now. The LAST person who tried to abolish the bank ended up being the closest thing America has ever had to a dictator. Ron Paul's dreams will never become reality, and if they do, God help us all.
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whoa whoa... i don't even know where to begin telling you how wrong you are
If I remember correctly, our country declared independence on July 4, 1776


Firstly,
- The Federal Reserve was founded in 1913 along with the "income tax"
- The Department Of Education was founded in 1980
- FEMA was founded in 1979
- CIA was founded in 1947
- The selective service system was founded in 1917
- Social Security was founded in 1935

I could go on...


As for the federal reserve... It's blatantly obvious that you only know what the TV tells you

Here's a video I HIGHLY suggest you watch
Money As Debt



The Federal Reserve prints money out of THIN AIR, and causes massive INFLATION which depreciates the value of the American Dollar.
If the dollar were backed by Gold, as Ron Paul advocates for, our money would be worth vast amounts more.

The dollar today compared to the dollar of 1913 (when the federal reserve was created) is worth only 4 cents.



ALL Fiat money systems in history have failed, because you can't just print money out of thin air and expect the currency to be of any value after soo long.

Did you know the canadian loon and countless other currencies have surpassed the American Dollar in value? The American Dollar is the lowest it's ever been, and always continues to decrease as the Federal Reserve issues bail outs to the Stock market and creates artificially low interest rates



As for why he wants to get rid of certain beaucracies and departments,
you should look into it before opening your mouth... highly suggested



If you wish to debate me any more,
please at the VERY LEAST, watch the video link i gave you and brush up on your history

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whoa whoa... i don't even know where to begin telling you how wrong you are
If I remember correctly, our country declared independence on July 4, 1776


Firstly,
- The Federal Reserve was founded in 1913 along with the "income tax"
- The Department Of Education was founded in 1980
- FEMA was founded in 1979
- CIA was founded in 1947
- The selective service system was founded in 1917
- Social Security was founded in 1935

I could go on...


As for the federal reserve... It's blatantly obvious that you only know what the TV tells you

Here's a video I HIGHLY suggest you watch
Money As Debt



The Federal Reserve prints money out of THIN AIR, and causes massive INFLATION which depreciates the value of the American Dollar.
If the dollar were backed by Gold, as Ron Paul advocates for, our money would be worth vast amounts more.

The dollar today compared to the dollar of 1913 (when the federal reserve was created) is worth only 4 cents.



ALL Fiat money systems in history have failed, because you can't just print money out of thin air and expect the currency to be of any value after soo long.

Did you know the canadian loon and countless other currencies have surpassed the American Dollar in value? The American Dollar is the lowest it's ever been, and always continues to decrease as the Federal Reserve issues bail outs to the Stock market and creates artificially low interest rates



As for why he wants to get rid of certain beaucracies and departments,
you should look into it before opening your mouth... highly suggested



If you wish to debate me any more,
please at the VERY LEAST, watch the video link i gave you and brush up on your history

thanks
I didn't state the FED was a financial institution that was founded during our independance. Although the paragraph i wrote did lead one to believe that. I should have added a paragraph break.

Ron Paul wants to give power back to the states, as far as collecting taxes, printing money, etc. States used to have individual currencies. It never worked out so well. A) The states would impose high dollar exchange rates. B) Some states wouldn't even accept other state's currency.

Ron Paul, yes an educated man, but very motivated in the wrong direction.
Time and time again currencies being distributed concurrent with the dollar have failed. I'm not saying injecting fake money into the US system is a good thing. All I'm saying is that until a better solution is found (using these Liberty Dollars or Ron Paul Dollars isn't it.) we should work with the system we have.

If people would be as motivated as they are about tearing apart and rebuilding a new system; and put all that energy into making this one better we'd be in much better shape.
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I'm sorry but anyone who's up for 'getting rid of certain financial institutions' put in place during the inception of our country is a little out there. The FED is the only reason his campaign dollars are worth anything right now. The LAST person who tried to abolish the bank ended up being the closest thing America has ever had to a dictator. Ron Paul's dreams will never become reality, and if they do, God help us all.
Wow wow wow!

First of all:
The Federal Reserve was created by private bankers long after the inception of the United States.

Second of all:
The Federal Reserve has confiscated all the real money (either gold, or bills that can be exchanged for gold) and in turn given out "legal tender", which is entirely worthless except in regards to how much is in circulation. Today's U.S. dollar is effectively worth less than $0.04 of its original value, and that is quickly on the decline because the Federal Reserve has the U.S. government by the balls and is forcing them to borrow more money at interest. Where does this money come from? Nowhere. They make it, and further depreciate the value of your dollar.

Third of all:
De-centralized government is what the founding fathers intended, but when people like you are all too willing to exchange freedom for security you end up with police states run by dictators. Not the other way around. Ron Paul represents the original design of the United States, an unadulterated version of what has become an out-of-control consumer-whore cesspool. Abolish the Fed and get your GOLD back and you will be much better off.

Don't believe me? Ask to see your share at Fort Knox.




edit: wow, I didn't notice somebody else had posted after this guy I quoted... looks like most of us are on the same page.
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Wow, kind of scary that a Canadian knows more about our government than most Americans, huh?
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Wow, kind of scary that a Canadian knows more about our government than most Americans, huh?
Don't be ashamed, I'm just a genius.
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