Examining the US voter psyche

Static · #1 (**permalink**) 08-14-2008, 10:02 PM

YouTube - Examining the US voter psyche - 14 August 08

Sad indeed...

and we sit around on here and wonder why the whole world is going to shit.

**Brother of Yeshua** · 08-14-2008, 10:20 PM

"If we ask them the FACTS, they look DUMB. If we think about how they SORT PEOPLE and figure out WHO'S FRIEND AND WHO'S FOE, and who's on WHICH SIDE, they look pretty GOOD."

They vote on "everyday life situations" (read as "latest gossip and drama in the shitty soap opera of the American political theatre").

These are supposed to be positive things?

**Ristaron** · 08-14-2008, 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brother of Yeshua

"If we ask them the FACTS, they look DUMB. If we think about how they SORT PEOPLE and figure out WHO'S FRIEND AND WHO'S FOE, and who's on WHICH SIDE, they look pretty GOOD."

They vote on "everyday life situations" (read as "latest gossip and drama in the shitty soap opera of the American political theatre").

These are supposed to be positive things?

A more beautiful piece of cynicism there is not.

The current state of affairs is simply tragic. Tragically disappointing.

4n7hr4x · 08-15-2008, 10:00 AM

This is something thats been bothering me ALOT!!

Here's how I look at this... In a free society should it not be our goal to make sure that we the people maintain our freedom to chose who we will vote for? I guess the first thing to do is as this simple question.

If you are manipulated into choosing... say for instance manipulated into buying a red car instead of a green one... was it your choice/decision or was it the choice/decision of the person who convinced you to get it? Now of course we can argue that well maybe you were going to buy the red one anyway, or he only helped you come to a conclusion which you would have arrived at on your own anyway... and who cares its just a car anyway.

Well the problem is only visible on a large scale. You see whether or not it was originally your idea or not, or however you want to rationalize it.. the fact remains, you purchased a red car. So as far as the person who manipulated you is concerned, you purchased the red car meaning his plan worked.

The problem is then obvious when you apply it to politics and voting in particular. For those who don't know what data farming is... when you register for a club card at your local grocery store what you're really doing is signing up to allow the grocery store to sell your information to these data farming companies, i.e. what food you buy, when, how much, how often. Don't think that this is limited to grocery stores only, any company out there that collects information about you, will sell it to data farmers. This isn't so much a privacy issue as it is an issue of free choice.

They learn your habits, they know how you think and they know what buttons to push to get you to vote for the person they want. They can then influence you daily through the media... including our very own FOX News... brainwash you every day to do exactly what they want.

If free choice is supposed to be being able to choose between Coke and Pepsi, with a man whispering into your ear "Pepsi" over and over again... then I'd rather be in communist Russia where at least everyone there knows they have no choice, rather than living in some delusional fairly tale land where they all believe they are free.

Am I the only one who's noticed this? Or am I just crazy again?

But don't think that I'm talking about just one person here... lol... that doesn't mean anything because you must look at the big picture. If I surveyed 5,000 people and asked them to vote for Pepsi or Coke, lets say the for instance the results would be around 50/50. Now if I spent one week beforehand blasting Pepsi ads on the TV 24/7, bribing my local news anchor to do a story on how Coke causes cancer,... and then took the survey again, the results would be Pepsi/Coke 80/20.

IS THAT FREE CHOICE?

Static · 08-16-2008, 01:13 AM

That assessment is pretty accurate to my own conclusions. I look around everyday and it's clear we aren't 100% free, given, our freedoms far outweigh a lot of the rest of the world, but government restricts natural human liberties and manipulates the masses all in the name of money. It all comes down to money, any little problem you can think of comes down to money and you not having enough of it to solve your problem. In todays world, the dollar can fix anything, it's above law, it's above ethics and morals, and almost everyone will do anything to have more.

I heard a statistic saying McCain was worth over $100 million, and just started thinking 'wtf would someone want 100 million dollars for? You can't spend that in a lifetime, all your doing by having all these millions of dollars is showing how much of a selfish prick you can be by essentially keeping all this potentially lifesaving money locked up in a building so nobody else but you can get to it, meanwhile you talk about poverty and suffering, and how bad the economy is and how terrible life is for middle class America...' This line of reasoning applies to everyone with incredibly substantial amounts of cash and just hoard over it like it's their life force, singers, movie stars, kings/queens, etc...

The manipulation of mainstream media, left and right is as clear as day, and I will never understand how anyone could watch anything on the news today and not think there's any pull towards a specific, well thought out outcome. Or that the government of ones own country is capable of doing it, especially given all the information available today, and our Nazi prince of propaganda who already did it once in history...

**Brother of Yeshua** · 08-16-2008, 08:23 AM

The nazi prince who's guidelines are still used heavily today. Goering was a genius, no two ways about it. Too bad many people don't take the time to learn such names.

It's a little disenheartening when you can find parallels between your country and a dictatorial fascist regime.

On another note, as far as absolute freedom or absolutely no freedom, I find it hard to believe that either exists. We have lots of freedoms in America right now, ones that other nations don't have. We are losing freedoms, but we still have more than most. Sure people lie to us about our freedom, but I'd rather have some and be lied to than none at all. Even with none, you still have freedom, just with stiffer consequences for using that freedom.

We have to be self aware of the guy whispering "Pepsi" into our ears and use that information wisely as we make a decision. As long as you are aware of the influences, you are in control of the choice.

Most people run in and pull a lever based on the colors blue and red. The other ones vote based on pet issues (abortion, gun control, free colobus monkeys for all, etc). The other ones vote their pocket book (doing well, same party. doing badly, other party). Still others vote for the candidate they find most physically appealing/attractive. Finally, way at the bottom, are those of us who vote on intelligent, well though out political understanding.

You should all know my answer by now. Education. Us at the bottom have to start talking boldly about what we think, not to change anyone's mind persay, but to wake people the fuck up and get them to start thinking boldly about what they talk about.

People are whipped into a frenzy over politics, til people are afraid to speak. This is restricting our freedoms, so if all of y'all want these freedoms to continue, start using them. Talk about politics. At dinner. At the bar (dont' get punched). At the movies (not during the movie please). At social gatherings. If an opportunity arises to discuss a topic, jump on it. You can talk and be respectful with people on these sensitive issues. I have gotten better at it the more I attempt to speak boldly. I would think others could as well.

I dont' know where all that came from. Sorry for the rant.

4n7hr4x · 08-16-2008, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brother of Yeshua

The nazi prince who's guidelines are still used heavily today. Goering was a genius, no two ways about it. Too bad many people don't take the time to learn such names.

It's a little disenheartening when you can find parallels between your country and a dictatorial fascist regime.

On another note, as far as absolute freedom or absolutely no freedom, I find it hard to believe that either exists. We have lots of freedoms in America right now, ones that other nations don't have. We are losing freedoms, but we still have more than most. Sure people lie to us about our freedom, but I'd rather have some and be lied to than none at all. Even with none, you still have freedom, just with stiffer consequences for using that freedom.

We have to be self aware of the guy whispering "Pepsi" into our ears and use that information wisely as we make a decision. As long as you are aware of the influences, you are in control of the choice.

Most people run in and pull a lever based on the colors blue and red. The other ones vote based on pet issues (abortion, gun control, free colobus monkeys for all, etc). The other ones vote their pocket book (doing well, same party. doing badly, other party). Still others vote for the candidate they find most physically appealing/attractive. Finally, way at the bottom, are those of us who vote on intelligent, well though out political understanding.

You should all know my answer by now. Education. Us at the bottom have to start talking boldly about what we think, not to change anyone's mind persay, but to wake people the fuck up and get them to start thinking boldly about what they talk about.

People are whipped into a frenzy over politics, til people are afraid to speak. This is restricting our freedoms, so if all of y'all want these freedoms to continue, start using them. Talk about politics. At dinner. At the bar (dont' get punched). At the movies (not during the movie please). At social gatherings. If an opportunity arises to discuss a topic, jump on it. You can talk and be respectful with people on these sensitive issues. I have gotten better at it the more I attempt to speak boldly. I would think others could as well.

I dont' know where all that came from. Sorry for the rant.

Sorry for what?... that was perfect, I couldn't agree more.