The great debate=facts vs. faith

tombinghamthegreat · 04-09-2007, 08:08 PM

This may have been brought up before but I have been an athiest and my friend is a hardcore christian. He is always saying that god exist and i am going to hell and the earth will turn to hell, people faith will we judged ect.

Anyway I ask him where is your proof and he would say life, bible, emotions ect. Noe he says that god controls everything and I am here on earth being antigod to "test" his faith. Any advise help prove or better explain my viewpoint to my good close minded god fearing friend?

**Ristaron** · 04-09-2007, 08:15 PM

I refuse to participate in 'converting' anybody. It's what the Christians do, and it's completely inexcusable. Tell your friend that if he is concerned for your soul, he should pray to his God to inform you of your immoral lifestyle through means you will find clear.
After all, God is omnipotent, it's not like he can't.

And, in the mean time, he can fuck off about telling you that you're going to hell. In the end, he is not the lord, and he can't say with any certainty or conviction what your fate will be.

And if he still insists that you read the Bible, tell him that he needs to read his friken science textbook first.

**Brother of Yeshua** · 04-09-2007, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Ristaron

I refuse to participate in 'converting' anybody. It's what the Christians do, and it's completely inexcusable. Tell your friend that if he is concerned for your soul, he should pray to his God to inform you of your immoral lifestyle through means you will find clear.
After all, God is omnipotent, it's not like he can't.

And, in the mean time, he can fuck off about telling you that you're going to hell. In the end, he is not the lord, and he can't say with any certainty or conviction what your fate will be.

And if he still insists that you read the Bible, tell him that he needs to read his friken science textbook first.

LOL even though I'm not an atheist, this is an outstanding response. No matter what faith you are, these approaches are way better than the current "BELIEVE IN WHAT I BELIEVE IN OR I'LL BEAT YOU IN THE FACE WITH MY BIBLE/QURAN/KABBALAH/BOOK OF URANTIA/WHATEVER!"

This is great advice, even if it is from a godless heathen

tombinghamthegreat · 04-09-2007, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Ristaron

And if he still insists that you read the Bible, tell him that he needs to read his friken science textbook first.

Told him that and he claims that science can not prove evolition and it is impossible. I told him that there is proof and he said that i am lying. I guess i will be bugged by him about my beliefs every time we go to the gun range.

**Ristaron** · 04-09-2007, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Brother of Yeshua

LOL even though I'm not an atheist, this is an outstanding response. No matter what faith you are, these approaches are way better than the current "BELIEVE IN WHAT I BELIEVE IN OR I'LL BEAT YOU IN THE FACE WITH MY BIBLE/QURAN/KABBALAH/BOOK OF URANTIA/WHATEVER!"

This is great advice, even if it is from a godless heathen

If only I had a soul... it might stir at your god-borne compassion.

And did you say gun range?
You may want to try this one:
"Jesus said if you have faith the size of a mustard seed, you can move mountains. Do you suppose with all your overwhelming faith you could stop my bullet?"

rclcryan · 04-09-2007, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Ristaron

I refuse to participate in 'converting' anybody. It's what the Christians do, and it's completely inexcusable. Tell your friend that if he is concerned for your soul, he should pray to his God to inform you of your immoral lifestyle through means you will find clear.
After all, God is omnipotent, it's not like he can't.

And, in the mean time, he can fuck off about telling you that you're going to hell. In the end, he is not the lord, and he can't say with any certainty or conviction what your fate will be.

And if he still insists that you read the Bible, tell him that he needs to read his friken science textbook first.

I'm impressed and really respect that.

04-09-2007, 10:45 PM

well first off...why would god need to test his own faith, isn't it faith in him? secondly if he's concerned about where you'll end up, tell him to do the whole pray thing that again, and lastly, is not the lord an all loving and forgiving being? As his children he may wish to punish us for our own gain but surely an all loving, all forgiving being could see the foolishness of a single person and fogive his child for not having faith, no? Am I a great bullshiter or what? So..finally tell him that if he is truly concerned than perhaps getting off your back about the going to hell thing might make you less hostile to that point of view. you know, like if someone is constantly badgering you about something, you find a way to make if false, but if the person asks nicely and once or twice to make sure you heard you are more likely to look into it and see it for what it is. by the way....the gun range suggestion also sounds fun, but if you're really his friend maybe you shouln't shoot him to test his faith

04-10-2007, 09:12 AM

First of all, who is he to tell you what the fate of your own soul is? No man has omnipotent knowledge of anything "God" or whatever deity they worship is going to do or not do. How does said person know he's going to "heaven" or whatever? I don't have a problem with anyone's belief if that's what they really, truly believe in; but taking it upon themselves to report everyone's fate is just ridiculous. He is not the voice of God; neither is the guy in the pulpit or on the TV screen. No one on Earth knows what is going to happen when the world ends, or if it's going to "end" at all to begin with.

I seem to notice that Christianity speaks of "humility". I also seem to notice most Christians could benefit from a huge slice of humble pie; they always think they know exactly what their God has planned, as if they're God's personal confidantes.

Also, to conclude, there's an old-time gospel song that has the chorus: "Sweep around your own front door before you try to sweep around mine." Put simply, people need to look out for themselves first instead of worrying what fate everyone else has. Mr. HxC Christian should just concern himself about assuring his own "salvation" and let you worry about yours. [Or not, as the case may be.

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kl0ve · 04-10-2007, 09:34 AM

That's exactly what gets on my nerves about some "Christians". They're supposedly going by what the Bible says, yet they're judging others simply by they're own creative thinking. Besides, the Bible states something about how you shouldn't judge others; that is only up to God, himself.

For example, my aunt...she is one of those holy rollin' people. I'm not talkin' about just going to church every time the doors are open. Oh no. This lady thinks that in order to even refer to yourself as a "Christian" woman, you must grow your hair and wear a long skirt down to your ankles. Anyway, when I had first gotten my lip pierced and she saw it, she looked at me and told me I was goin' to Hell. *growls* That still pisses me off to this day.

I mean, who is anyone to say where someone else is "going"? That's like people who think, "GOD HATES YOU GAYS. Y'ALL ARE GOIN' TO HELL." The Bible also says that all sin is equal, and that no sin is greater than another.

04-10-2007, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by kl0ve

That's exactly what gets on my nerves about some "Christians". They're supposedly going by what the Bible says, yet they're judging others simply by they're own creative thinking. Besides, the Bible states something about how you shouldn't judge others; that is only up to God, himself.

That is precisely one of the main reasons why I began shaking off the chains of that particular religion.