The Case Against Christianity

04-09-2007, 10:12 PM

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**Nøz** · 04-09-2007, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by huh?

huh?
oh haha
huh? asks huh?

did you watch it?

**Ristaron** · 04-09-2007, 11:52 PM

This is definately a well-put-together video.
I like his impressions. XD

04-10-2007, 09:28 PM

okay watching it again, I think I just wasn't paying attention the first time. Okay, so making the case for my religion.... The Holy Bible, contains many things that are the basis for christianity, but is not the basis for christianity. I like to think of it as a compilation of texts representing the feel of christianity(no I don't believe in stoning people or other bullshit like that). Christianity is based on morals and unity through belief in the Lord our God. As for the Adam and Eve stuff, I can't really argue with that so I'm gonna bullshit my way through. The theory of evolution says that we came from a single cell that was mutated when it split into two half cells that reproduced by coupling. What better, simpler, more elegant explanation is there than that god left a singe beautiful cell to be the birth of all life, beauty and life from mutations. haha nice bullshit ay? As for impossible, FUCK OFF a person should know no such word, for all you know, it could have been aliens visiting earth that first unified the israeli tribe. Which thereon led to the development of christianity. Hey god of the gaps?!?!? I will reiterate, FUCK OFF! I never said he performed any miracles, I said the Bible was guidance, stories to help guide the people in times of need and despareation. OR IS THE MODERATE CHRISTIAN THE SAME AS THE MONKEY TRIAL PROSECUTOR? hey who says that god is entirely almighty? For all we know he was called that because the figures talking to him were pathetically powerless against him. He might have his own religious texts and his own god. I am soooo good at bullshit. Perhaps we take our insecurities to say that that creator created us for comfort instead of RANTING ON THE WEB and holding your insecurities bottled up until you can let them out in the form of anger on someone else's beliefs. Since he's on the subject, evolution is STILL A THEORY. It has a lot of evidence backing it, it is a wonderfull scientific model and is most likely what happened, but that doesn't excuse you calling if FACT. The reason bible belt schools have to teach it as a theory and refer to it like it has the validity of a guess is because they overreacted to people like this guy trying to shove evolution in their faces and shout "FACT". It probably is fact but should not be referred with definite conviction as such, for the sake of politeness and formality. It would be better not to call it fact, but not to say it's a theory, just imply that it is fact in your tone of speech. These things said in the bible about the earth being flat and resting on pillars could be metaphorical but most likely was just common thought at the time as for bats being birds, If you were a fucking hunter and you though bird meant "thing that fly" you'd fuckin' think a bat was a bird too. Your a scribe, you have no clue where rain comes from, the priest want's a text that can be believed and is religious, WTF would you write? That it's god crying? Same shit. Maybe the thing about being all knowing and all powerful was relative to the humans at that point in history. Hey it's not christians fault that they made stories for comfort and believe in a being so that they can feel better. Perhaps this guy should think about something other than sex and materials for comfort, maybe then he wouldn't be able to say, oh well I thought it was so, but that didn't make it so. The human mind is a powerfull tool and can weave many things. Do not underestimate the mind. Hey guess what, children sometimes have imaginary friends, now wtf, omg it isn't real is it. YES THE FUCK IT IS TO THAT CHILD! If something is correct in the mind, it tends to be that person's reality. A person, granted, cannot fabricate material things, but they can sure as hell imagine them, make them real in their mind. PERCEPTION IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN REALITY. And I am not a self righteous insect, I can take being corrected. At first I thought it might be fun to argue with this guy, but now my opinoin of him is about as low a cockaroack fucking an ant hill asking for bites to get stimulated. He has to blatently go out of his way to insult christians for their belief systems? For his sake I hope there is a hell so that he can end up in it and remember all his insults. Providing a case against a religion is one thing, voicing your opinion, that is fine, but putting others down in order that you feel like you point is more valid? GO FUCK A COW AND THEN ASK IT FOR DAIRY QUEEN insert video guy's name here! why do people who disagree with it look for tangible evidence when clearly any fucking religion is not created for historical or scientific use but for that of people so that they may unite under a faith and share ideas and customs. This guy was a real fucktard.

Noz, I don't mean anything against you, but can't you find civilized people who do this? I mean it is so much more persuasive and nicer to have people who aren't mentally/emotionally insecure and doing this because they need to get back at the world for whatever wrong they feel it has done them. When you have someone who is respectful while making a decision or trying to persuade you, it so much easier to see where they are coming from, too see their point of view and to agree with them possibly. When you have someone openly hostile, one tends to purposely distance themselves from the person speaking and will make if not find ways to refute the case being made.

If I said any 'you' or such like it and it was hostile, I assure you it was meant as a reaction against you video guy

GOD IS AN IDEA, ONE THAT SOME PEOPLE BELIEVE IS WORTH IT TO BELIEVE IN. HE CAN SAVE PEOPLE THROUGH MENTALITY OF THE PERSON. IT HAS BEEN KNOWN THAT PARENTS GET SO CRAZED WHEN THEY SEE THEIR CHILD UNDER A CAR THAT THEY CAN LIFT CARS. HOW'S THAT FOR A MIRACLE? DO NOT LOOK FOR GOD AS TANGIBLE, HE IS NOT AND YOU WILL ONLY BECOME FRUSTRATED

**Ristaron** · 04-10-2007, 11:51 PM

Perhaps you should keep in mind that these videos are in response to the presentation of Christianity (i.e. The Bible) as more true than a science textbook.

And then ask yourself "how, given that I believe so much of what was once attributed to God is now known to be caused by something else, do I logically still believe in the existence of some divine creator?"
I don't mean to remove your "comfort", but seriously, by invoking the supernatural to explain things you don't comprehend, you're doing the same "rain is God opening a window from heaven" that you're just bashed to bits.

No offense, but I see that as a pitiful attempt to cling to some hope you know, deep down, is false. And I ask myself why someone as smart as you would not realize that God has already been refuted, and accept it? Rather than make up excuses to allow for the existence of something so blatantly false?

04-11-2007, 10:06 PM

Well actually I never really had a thing for religion, my mom brought me to church and I thought the church was a nice place to hang and that the ceiling was kinda mystical for an unexplicable reason, but that was about as far deep as religion got for me. I was defending the beliefs of others, perhaps more psycopathic than me but still entitled to an opinion that should not be shunned, regardless of what may be true or not, just the simple idea of a person's right to their own thoughts. I can certainly better understand this man from the stand point that it is a reaction to bible belt people acting as though the bible has superiority over science textbooks, models, and theorys, in the field of science and history. I do feel that god exists, he exists though for some and not for others. A person must make their own god/gods and understand that other people will not necassarily understand their god/gods. When and if god exists, he exists in the hearts and minds of people, not as an actual presence or being as some people might have you think. In this way, god is very personal and is mainly a reflection of yourself. Here's a question that I heard that hopfully can explain the inexplicability of god. Do you love you parents? If so, prove it. See, this can not be entirely answered, or answered correctly. There are somethings that at this point in time are simply beyond our knowledege. I am not saying these things are god. I have already said that god exists in the hearts/minds of people, not actuallity as reallity to everyone. God can only exist in the reality of one person at a time. If that person believes in God, god will appear to that person and no one else. If another person believes in god, then their god will appear to them and no one else. People may have similar gods, but I think that each person's god is unique because each person is unique. God does not exist in reality but perception, and to the human mind, perception can be more important than reality itself. This is what causes all this religious debate, god is not the same for each person, and therefore causes them each to believe that they are right and the other is wrong. To them, they're perception is reality, and since the realities of these people don't match, they argue, fight, and battle because they believe that they're reality is reality when in fact it is not. Well, that's my thoughts on it anyway.

04-12-2007, 07:27 AM

this i directed to the penguin guy or girl, i really agree with this quote and would love to shout it over a megaphone if i had the guts: "why do people who disagree with it look for tangible evidence when clearly any fucking religion is not created for historical or scientific use but for that of people so that they may unite under a faith and share ideas and customs."

However, I believe that God is tangible, and not just in people's minds. I'm religiously confused right now but that is something I definitely believe. I agree with you that the guy in the video should not put people down to get a point across. I wouldn't wish hell on him though, I really hope there is no hell, I just hope that in the next life everyone will understand what we need to.

**Nøz** · 04-12-2007, 09:55 AM

Its easy to put someone down that doesnt agree with your point of views huh?

iamthelordhitman · 04-12-2007, 10:08 AM

cool vid. the only thing that i need to do to keep ppl buggin me about religion is ask a simple question "prove it"

most ppl actually walk away from that to my suprise, you would think ppl with faith in god would try to prove.