Originally Posted by Lucifer

In that last linked video... you can CLEARLY see the female officer on the left talking to him as she attempts to escort him outside after his microphone was cut (she also asked him to get to the question while he was going on about the book and you can see his response is an "I'll get to it when I get to it" attitude even defending that attitude by stating Kerry was speaking for several hours, he should be able to take as much time as he wants to get to his question). It also sounded like she said "We're not." when he started asking "Why are you arresting me?", but that could just be what I made out. It's hard to tell since she's not speaking loudly while he is...

Another thing I could see in the above video is he was fighting attempts to handcuff his hands behind his back while begging not to be tazed. They police had gotten the cuff on his right wrist, but he was still struggling with his left arm until they tazed him. DESPITE his begging not to be tazed, he was still resisting until they did just that. From this angle, that gives MORE justification for the tazing that the previous videos have. As for whether they were justified in wrestling him to the ground and arresting him in the first place, I feel his own actions brought that on as you could plainly see they were seeking to escort him outside and WERE speaking with him but he remained resistant.

As to why he was being taken out, I still do not believe his final question had ANYTHING to do with it. From the previous videos, you can see the cop near the stage (who was close to the dean as well as Kerry), speaking into his walkie after the second question was asked. Whether it was the fact he said "blowjob" that provoked the dean to ask the mic to be cut and him to be removed or the fact he was taking so much time getting around to his questions and then saying "I have two MORE questions as well" and proceeding to ask them without waiting for an answer for the first one (which could give the impression, he didn't care about the answers as much as getting the questions out there for others to think about) caused the call to be made, I do not know. The fact still remains that MULTIPLE eyewitnesses have stated he interrupted ANOTHER speaker and rushed to the microphone demanding to be allowed to ask his questions in the first place... where the tape cuts in is AFTER Kerry told the officers NOT to escort him out for that and to allow him to ask his question IF he would let Kerry answer the question that had been interrupted. The video starts after Kerry goes BACK to the other speaker who was interrupted and finishes up that person's question.

Exactly WHICH Constitutional Right of his was stepped upon here? The Right to Free Speech doesn't allow a person to yell "Fire!" in a crowded movie theater... nor does it allow a person to come in off the street during a Presidential Press Conference and blurt out questions at the President out of order without being escorted out... so why should it allow him to interrupt the normal proceedings of a Q&A with John Kerry and then ask more than one question (without waiting for answers on the first two)?

EDIT: Also, Resisting Arrest is just that - Resisting. No matter HOW violently, whether by trying to break free or simply through complete lack of cooperation making your body basically dead weight the police have to drag around - it's still resisting arrest. If he had so much as PUSHED an officer (instead of merely making them off-balance by pulling away or bumping into them), he would have been charged with Assaulting a Police Officer - a much more aggravated offense.

Originally Posted by Brother of Yeshua

At the very least someone else could have asked them to stop. Or rallied other people to decry the police's actions.

The threat of a mob telling you to stop what you are doing can potentially be enough to disengage the weaker hearted law enforcement agents (and these guys didn't exactly seem like the cream of the crop).

In one of the videos, at least one person was shrieking "oh my god what are you doing?" or something like that, but a hysterical woman screaming doesn't really encourage anything except the fear and chaos being created by the situation.

I hope if I'm ever put in this kind of situation, I will have the courage to stand up, even if I stand alone.

Originally Posted by Ristaron

I'll stand with you.
With my own tazer.
And my sword.

Originally Posted by 4n7hr4x

Its sad to see how our Society has already fallen apart. And I'm not talking about the police abusing their powers or the excessive use of tazers, I'm talking about the unwillingness of other people to step forward and help someone who desperately needs it. The police are not always right and often times they are the criminals and when that happens you cannot call the cops to handle the situation so you need average citizens to step in and do the job. Its not like you're being asked to go above and beyond, just uphold the laws that you live by, because that is every person's job regardless if you are a cop or not, and the title of "Cop" does not grant immunity from the law. I understand that when a large crowd decides to take the law into their own hands you essentially create a mob, and mobs tend to do more harm than good. But thats not to say that if done properly they cannot do good. In this situation and the other University Library incident all that was needed was to separate the student from the police and then sort everything out. If the cops had something to charge him with fine, but they didn't, so I just find it so stupid and sad that everyone just watched and did nothing, that is what we have become, nothing but a group of passive mindless uneducated retards who only seem to act when we are told to fight an unjustified war against civilians, but when it comes to defending our own at home we do nothing... There's just no more unity in this country, everyone minds their own business and just stays in line.

God Bless the Fucking USA!

Originally Posted by Ol' Patty

Hell, I don't think that was near as bad as the incident in the library. That was just disgusting. So many people and so little action. My response to that would have been citizens arrest.

As far as this situation goes... Whether or not the guy was an annoying fucktard is beside the point. I don't think he deserved a tazering. As said before, he was clearly outnumbered and out-manned. They could have cuffed him no problem with simple, physical force. He's not the damn Hulk. He was merely causing a disruption. I think that an actual assault is the first instance that a tazering should be implemented. There was no assault here. And as for the argument that you should stop it before it happens... meh. A tazer will stop anyone in their tracks. This kid was merely annoying. Not dangerous.

Like I said before though, the incident in the library was far more serious in my eyes. I was nearly physically ill from watching that.