"Spells" OffShoot Discussion

**Brother of Yeshua** · #1 (**permalink**) 08-24-2008, 08:08 PM

This was continued from this thread here but I felt diverged too much from the intent of that thread (to post spells that people themselves have made).

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Originally Posted by Germanboi

I know this is going to sound weird coming from me, but despite the fact I believe in God I also believe in magic. Though I would have to say it is not the wording or the ritual that causes the affect but the intent, thats what I believe. And very often does not work because God grants only so many different gifts to so many different people. Some may have an affective magic, while others may have more psychic abilities. idk I am kinda a screw ball when it comes to my beliefs and thoughts.

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Originally Posted by Aphrodisiac

This is very, very true.

That's why I like to make my own spells and try to turn them into a somewhat big ritual. The more energy you raise and work you put into the desired goal the more powerful it is.

The same could be said for many spiritual activities, including meditation, positive thinking, prayer, contemplation, healing sessions/services, etc etc

It's very much all the same in approach, it's just the difference in the particular expression and manifestation physically.

I find it to be most about how you individually connect with whatever it is that keeps this universe going(and whatever that means to you), and how you use that connection, to create love or fear.

As far as believing in "God" and "magic," I believe in something that I could call "God" and I believe in something that I could call "magic" but chances are, both are not what most people expect when they hear those words.

Words are inert, and only carry the meanings attached to them by the listener, not by the speaker. The only time this is not true, is when your perception is the only perception involved.

Case in point, all these spiritual activities. I use the term spiritual, even though many atheists use times of contemplation, or positive thinking, or even non-theistic forms of meditation, because imo, many atheists are incredibly spiritual, but again, my definition of "spiritual" is much different than what most think when they hear the word. Anyway, these activities only involve YOU, and YOUR PERCEPTION. Your perception of reality, of "God/gods" or a lack therof, your intent, your ideas, manifesting through ritual.

There's tons of things that could do this that I don't even list. Performing arts, visual arts, athletics, auto repair, hunting, tons of things, that can connect people in a way that allows them to manifest their hearts desires.

No matter how different things appear, they always end up seeming hopelessly the same to me.

Thanks for reading my tangent.

**Ristaron** · 08-24-2008, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Brother of Yeshua

I find it to be most about how you individually connect with whatever it is that keeps this universe going(and whatever that means to you), and how you use that connection, to create love or fear.

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I use the term spiritual, even though many atheists use times of contemplation, or positive thinking, or even non-theistic forms of meditation, because imo, many atheists are incredibly spiritual, but again, my definition of "spiritual" is much different than what most think when they hear the word. Anyway, these activities only involve YOU, and YOUR PERCEPTION. Your perception of reality, of "God/gods" or a lack therof, your intent, your ideas, manifesting through ritual.

I believe in physics, does that count?

**Brother of Yeshua** · 08-24-2008, 08:19 PM

I think so. Physics is amazingly awesome in the way it shows how we connect and fit in to the great big universe around us, and how all the stuff smaller than us allows us to exist in the first place.

So yeah, I think so, for whatever that's worth to you.

Aphrodisiac · 08-29-2008, 03:01 PM

Nicely said, and thanks for sharing those thoughts.

I can't think of much to add because I agree with you and couldn't have expressed it better myself. I enjoyed reading your thought on this.

There is one thing I could add though to peoples concept of God. While in your case what you call God may not be what people expect I think to a greater or lesser degree that goes for everyone that would use that word "God". When it comes down to it the relationship or understanding is different because it's personal. Even people that follow a strict religion in their mind have a concept of God that can't match up precisely with everyones. What matters for the individual is how their God, Goddess, lack of deity, divine mind, or whatever you want to call it affects them and their life.

I thought I had nothing to add but now stuff just went through my mind so I thought of an example to explain what I am thinking. I cant use the word God, Goddess, or anything else to explain it so I will say "the source" which will mean all concepts. There are good reasons why our understanding and concept is different besides religious influence. I was thinking about how in life you meet many people. These same people have met other people. Everyone that has had a personal relationship with the people you meet sees them differently due to their own experiences and thought processes. Nobodys relationship with one person is exactly the same as another. The point I am getting at is this is how relationships with the source can be different. Everyone who woks with the source or believes in the source has a personal relationship and their own experiences with it. This is why the title you put on the source is not as important as your relationship. Labels for the source just give a common title for people that have similar concepts of it.

**Brother of Yeshua** · 09-02-2008, 09:27 PM

Exactly!

It's all about relationships. People get hung up on words, when words are just symbols. Like I said, words are dead. It's all about interpretation and the relationship those words have to the individual.

"The Source" is a term I like to use as well, and I feel is more accurate for my relationship/beliefs.

Somehow I missed your response. Glad you enjoyed my thoughts. I certainly enjoyed yours.