Reality of the Mind - Page 2

Zwardfulk · 02-13-2007, 02:39 PM

I've thought about it before...

But then I recall that I am me.. and no one else. If there is another me on this world or in this universe I don't care. Because they're living their own life according to their own will.

They have no tie to me and will never have one so long as we never meet. Until then it doesn't affect me. I'm not losing sleep over it at least.

Zen · 02-13-2007, 03:06 PM

"Not in the philosophical sense, at least.
But nice try."

haha,
I would say philosophy supersedes science, but i guess that is where we differ...

Science is like when you are listening to your favorite song…
It could theoretically show you how the song was put together…
But not the meaning in it that will bring you to tears and change your life…

**Ristaron** · 02-13-2007, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zen

"Not in the philosophical sense, at least.
But nice try."

haha,
I would say philosophy supersedes science, but i guess that is where we differ...

Science is like when you are listening to your favorite song…
It could theoretically show you how the song was put together…
But not the meaning in it that will bring you to tears and change your life…

Touché? I don't know what you're getting at, but that's some nice wording.

02-13-2007, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SARS-expl0ted

"Two objects cannot exist in the same place at the same time."

I saw that Rist had said this in another thread. It made me think.
Have any of you ever thought about this statement?

As in, it might mean...more than just objects.
What about people? Maybe I am the only one who really exists.
Then again, what is existing exactly?

i think when you ask what is existing exactly...you are now talking bout the nature of reality right? some say that we live a reality of just thoughts and the physical doesn't exist but if that were so...it would follow that i could think i had a million dollars in the bank and it would happen but it doesn't. so...i don't think that is an accurate description of reality.
then some say that only the physical exist [naturalism. i the physical is all that exists, how did we get here???and what about DNA.it is hard for naturalist to account for this incredible amount of information [DNA is a big hole in the Macro-evolutionary theory also] so that this points to a supreme being or supernatural...so naturalism is out the window.
then eastern religions believe in only the supernatural is reality but if that was true then why does the physical affect us and how are we living in an illusion???
but i believe in thoughts, the physical, the supernatural, heres how.....
God created us[supernatural] in this Time-space reality with matter [physical] and we were made with the ability to reason [thoughts].i believe this is an accurate description of our reality............... i also believe the mind or soul is separate from the brain but that goes into a whole different area of metaphysics and i dont have the time to explain but something you can look into.

**SARS-expl0ted** · 08-19-2008, 11:17 AM

I was going through some old threads today because of boredom and I came across an old thread of mine that I want to explore a little more then it was.

This was the topic:
"Two objects cannot exist in the same place at the same time."

I saw that Rist had said this in another thread. It made me think.
Have any of you ever thought about this statement?

As in, it might mean...more than just objects.
What about people? Maybe I am the only one who really exists.
Then again, what is existing exactly?

This is a reply I wanted to add on to:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joseph

some say that we live a reality of just thoughts and the physical doesn't exist but if that were so...it would follow that i could think i had a million dollars in the bank and it would happen but it doesn't

Here is my new topic:
I am going to question about what it was that I highlighted in your statement.
How do we know that we cannot do that?
How do we know that we did not possess that sort of 'power' in the past and lost it due to brainwashing or lack of use?

You know how when you fall down and get hurt, if you trick yourself into thinking that it doesn't hurt then it will not bother you? Everything is a mind trick. We think things because that is what we are taught.
I have seen plenty of children fall and hurt themselves and many of those children do not cry until the parents freak out and tries to comfort them. The child was fine until the mother or father freaked out and started with the, "Are you okay?!" spill.

So what if we could alter more then just pain?

Aphrodisiac · 08-19-2008, 11:23 AM

If time does not exist though as anything more than a human concept to keep track of our own lives and existence than how can the statement about existing in the same place and time be accurate? What about the idea of a subtle reality within our own reality? An unseen existence unseen by our existence within and overlapped by the very existence we live in? Perhaps several existences on different levels of existence overlapping each other?

What exactly defines time and existence?

One is used to keep track.

The other is to label something we thing we are aware of, but how aware are we?

Aphrodisiac · 08-19-2008, 11:50 AM

I don't think we lost it.

I just think it would take a ridiculous amount of energy and time learning how to use it to bring something physical into form. If it is possible I don't think a person could perfect those type of skills by the time they die. You will think I'm nuts but I said this in another topic. To this day I believe I floated down the stairs when I was younger successfully. It may have been in projection but I remember it so clearly that I am convinced it happened either in body or spirit. So yeah, I think we can do more with "reality" than we are aware of but I think some things possibly can't be changed or we would never be able to accomplish them in the time we have. I think it's more likely with most people when they are younger to do strange things though because they are not brainwashed yet.

**SARS-expl0ted** · 08-19-2008, 11:55 AM

And see now that you brought up the whole age factor and how long we have to live, that reminded me of something.
Human lives use to be longer then they are today.

So is there a possibility that in the past we were able to do so much more then what we are led to believe?
We would have had more time, knowledge and practice back then then what we do now.

**HeartAttack** · 08-19-2008, 12:07 PM

Everything is about perception. The same way that someone might experience pain and hate it, another might feel pain and be turned on by it. I actually watched a show on the Discovery channel about humans and their unique abilities to "trick" themselves into feeling pain as a good sensation; something they enjoy.

Think about this: the colors we all see, or possible lack thereof, is simply just how our human eyes perceive them. The sky isn't blue. Not at all. An orange isn't -well - orange, not at all. That's just the way our eyes see it, that's all. Perception is a tricky bitch.

Although I don't really think we can alter much more than what we can simply perceive, who knows?

**SARS-expl0ted** · 08-19-2008, 12:09 PM

Exactly.
That is just how our eyes seperate the light.
There are actually many colors out there that we cannot see.

Imagine if we were able to! I want to see how the world would look.