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11-27-2007, 03:10 PM
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Explain your reality.
I just wanted to make a topic that everyone could use to explain exactly what they believe about everything. I don't just want simple answers like your religion. I want an explanation of what your reality is in detail. I would like to know your spiritual or non spiritual beliefs and opinions. I want to know why you think you are here if you even think there is a reason. I want a explanation of your own personal existence. I am looking to dig deep in the minds of people to find out their understanding of existence. I will post my views later. I am probably going to write down what I want to say first because it will be very long.
This is not a topic to stat arguing in. It is for knowing who people are no matter how off the wall their reality may seem. Last edited by NachtEngel; 11-27-2007 at 06:56 PM. Reason: Spelling error. 
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11-27-2007, 04:00 PM
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One thing I'll always believe is that ALL human beings are created equal, no matter what. I don't see the logic behind someone hating someone else because of the color of their skin or beliefs or country or whatever, all that shit makes no sense to me, can't we all just be human beings on the planet earth and try to advance as a species, instead of a race? If you look at the entire scheme of things, look how big and vast the universe is, how many trillions of star systems there are out there, then you take a look at your pointless little existence, it really makes you think about our place as humans in the universe, and all our little problems among us just fly out the window...
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11-27-2007, 05:15 PM
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11-27-2007, 10:53 PM
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Brace yourself, you asked for it.  Yeshua was a man. In my opinion, the qunitessential human being. Not to say he is the only enlightened person in history, far from it. It is more the paradigm that he set. Unfortunately, those in power usurped his Message (one that has appeared throughout history, only in varied forms) and twisted it to mean the opposite of it's original intent. The Message was not meant to create religion, it was meant to free people from religion. Yeshua was more than a "prophet" or a "sage" or "spiritualist." He was a voice for upheaval of the people, for abandonment of the status quo, for political, social, and spiritual revolution. I think you would agree with me that historically, we have been repeating the same pattern and cycle for about the last 3000 years. Sure the specific circumstances change and the individual situations vary over time, but the basic cycle remains the same. Throughout history, we have seen people rise up to this call. Martin Luther King Jr., Gandhi, and others deliver a similar message to that heard by the man Yeshua of Nazareth. As long as I'm on the subject, there are documents that relay a man named Yeshua visiting various countries in what is now the middle east/southwest asia, studying with various spiritual leaders, etc etc. All religious writings are nothing more than humanity's vain attempts to explain what is going on. I enjoy reading many religious works, including the Jewish and Christian texts. However, just like anything else, they are one source, and not a complete picture. What is even more important to understand is how these books were written, compiled, and created. Why is it that the earliest followers of Yeshua, the Ebionites and the Nazarenes, were hunted down and exterminated by the Roman Christian forces? The only reason would be a threat they posed imo. What was their threat to Rome? They were quiet, nomadic sects that practiced their religion in peaceful communes, with no desire to engage anyone that did not seek them out. Their communities were razed to the ground by Roman forces, all in the name of the "one true religion." It is after this we see the Nicean Council and the formation of the canonized Christian Bible. Meanwhile, the Vatican withholds countless books and sections of non-canonical writings. Not to mention that with the appearance of the Dead Sea Scrolls, they have ignored the evidence and scriptures held within against the modern structure of religion, and in turn, so has the rest of the world. Christ/Messiah is a title, like Doctor or President. It does not mean you are the only one to hold the position. Many of the terms used for Yeshua (Son of God, Son of Man, Messiah) were used for others like David and Enoch from the OT. I think that we have freewill, but many times, are circumstances are beyond our control. Given my view of the universe, I do think that circumstances present themselves for many reasons. Sometimes it is a direct effect of our actions. Sometimes they are there to teach us, or to prepare us for something. The universe is designed to always attempt to achieve balance. We can work with it, or against it. Balance will always be achieved, it is our choice to what level we want to be a part of that, but the universe will not spare us if we become the object causing unbalance. This is relevant because I believe that many Messengers have made their way into the world at the appropriate times in history to spark the right moments needed for change and balance to be achieved. The revolution of Yeshua is one that is yet to be finished. The true meanings were hidden, even by him speaking in parables and riddles, waiting for the seed to be under the right condition to grow and bloom. I don't want my focus on Yeshua to make it seem as if he is "better" than other gurus, because really, it is irrelevant. All is one is all is one is all is one. Buddha had much wisdom to offer to the world. So did Krishna and Mohammed. So have countless other men and women that were not even spiritual in nature (but I was focusing on that aspect). Yeshua stands apart to me because of his unique approach to politics, society, and community. Let's say he delivered the most developed version of what I call "The Message" The Message you ask? Recognize your oneness with the universe, and Love all. It's simple, but it's hard. What does it mean to Love? That's a whole conversation in itself. I speak of the general "agape love" which is recognizing the commonalities between seemingly different objects and sharing goodwill and respect for all of existence, even if you make mistakes along the way (who hasn't?). This is how science ties in for me because through the quantum world, it becomes much easier to see commonalities when we break our existence down to simpler and simpler forms. There is no way to tell where you end and I begin! At the level of the Planck Constant, time and distance become virtually meaningless. The universe is based in large part around the electron, and in case you don't know, the electron is a neat little particle. Watch a short videos below if you don't know what the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle or Superposition is.
Through this, we can show that electrons function as waves of probability, and this probability can interfere with other probability. I would assume the universe as an entity would want to continue it's existence as entity, so it would present probability waves to interfere with probability waves against it's survival (does that make sense?). Yeshua is one of many probability waves presented to disrupt the process. Now if we take this idea and present it in terms of the butterfly effect, these waves may make little impact immediately (i.e. Rome taking over and fucking things up for the next 2000 years) but over time, these interference waves create larger and larger ripples, resulting in greater interference being seen over time. You and I could both potentially be interference waves, set up at odds with each other, to work out these issues and come to a mutual agreement at some point that is stronger than either of our understandings separately. If not, we are creating this interference of our own freewill by engaging each other. Te same argument could be used for things like geopolitical unrest and global warming (though do not necessarily require the spiritual aspect). Anyway, I don't know if Jesus will ride on a horse out of the sky and return for all the earth (I doubt it, but hey, it could happen). I do think though, that we are on the cusp of a major change of paradigm on this planet in the next 5 years. For better or for worse, something is coming. Perhaps the "return of Christ" is nothing more than a mass enlightenment of the masses, and a new age arriving, beginning the next phase of our biological, cultural, and philosophical evolution. This fits with things presented in terms of Zeitgeist, a movie that is excellent. If you haven't seen it here is the religion section. Watch the rest too, but this is the part that is relevent.
This idea also fits with other completely unrelated spiritual sects, such as the Mayans and the Aztecs, along with many Native American tribes. It also fits with the book of Revelations and the Christian scenario of the apocalypse (which means revealing, not armageddon) if you read it figuratively, not literally, which I think is the wisest way to read any religious text, especially one that is a couple thousand years old, and especially one that was written during persecution and was purposely concealed in what we would call sci-fi today. Also, the Islam apocalypse scenario involves an evil political force that has taken over the globe, and a man stands up to the leader, is struck down, rises from the dead, and they mark this as the return of St. Isa (Yeshua). Needless to say (if you talk to me in the Politics Forum), I could see this scenario playing out quite easily in this current world scene. So that's a start I guess. There's probably more to it, but this is probably the most cohesively my thoughts and beliefs have been put into words. Scary isn't it 
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11-27-2007, 11:06 PM
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the world fing sucks!! nothing is going to change it. all that matters is how i deal with it. if i'm not fighting, then i'm not living. if i'm not arguing, then i'm sleeping. if i'm sleeping, something went terribly wrong. in regards to how i got put here? my answer: "don't know. don't care. not gonna know, not gonna care." yep, pretty naive, but there you have it. also, reality is a funny (not like joking funny) concept; 'cuz i sometimes can't tell the difference between a fantasy and a reality. like zoning, and going through a day zoning, but myself and no one else noticed until i later noticed that i had no clue what my essay I WROTE THAT DAY was for. (one example from two weeks ago). so in essence, for me, the only reality is to keep doing what i'm doing and hope i don't wind up in juvie or get shot before i'm 18. yep, that's 'bout it.
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11-28-2007, 06:23 AM
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That's the reality I see as well. There's really nothing I can think of adding to that right now... Kudos
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11-28-2007, 07:57 AM
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11-28-2007, 01:08 PM
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I believe in science over spirituality, as science fits my view of the world -- indifferent to the individual. Science doesn't claim any group to be "the chosen people", doesn't demand veneration, and doesn't expect of us anything except to live our lives. I also believe in science because it makes sense, and is constantly expanding to explain the mysteries of the universe, rather than religion which is stagnant and flawed. Evolution, gravity, and plate tectonics have more basis in fact and more practical application than anything I have read or seen in any religious context. There's nothing in this universe that can't be explained in scientific terms... eventually. I believe faith in a higher power is irrational. There's no proof, and yet people hold up their beliefs like they're a triumph. I understand that people want to fill the holes, and I can respect that. What pisses me off is when people want to live in the holes, and go nuts when someone pours dirt in their holes. And on top of that, when they brand them arbitrary words like "heretic", and ex-communicate them, that's simply irrational fear of the unknown being taken out on the intelligent person who was brave enough to go against the grain and recognize the possibility that he was wrong. I believe in psychology, and I take an eclectic approach to its application. There are behavioural, cognitive, and sociocultural aspects to everything in or daily lives, to every action we take and every thought we conjure. I recognize that we are predisposed to recognize patterns where there are none, and sometimes go further than imagining patterns to imagining events and experiences. I believe there is a gross overstatement of prevalence of psychological conditions, that people are too quick to diagnose ADD or depression and simply throw medication at the problem when most cases can be solved merely by mind over matter. I have seen first hand the effect the brain has on the body, the placebo effect for one. We attribute too much to the uncontrollable when in reality so much lies within our ability to control. I also believe we are destroying the planet with our needlessly opulent lifestyles. Consumerism has consumed most of the people on Earth, and it's spelling our disaster. People are getting fatter, the forests are getting smaller, and we're taxing the once ample resources of the planet to suit our needs with little heed to the consequences. And I believe that we are governed by corrupt people who have manipulated us to get into power, and intend on keeping that power at all costs. Where once we had politicians who would concern themselves with our demands, we now have people whose only interests are themselves. These people are blinded by their own arrogance and single-minded intransigence to further their own agendas and impose their will on everyone. And I believe they are getting away with what we would call "war crimes" should other nation's leaders do them. And the scarce supply of honest politicians are ignored by the government-controlled mass-media, or even portrayed negatively by spin tactics. I also believe our time on Earth should be coming to a close. We have shown that we are flawed to fail in the same way we have every time before, and we should clear the way for other, more successful species.
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11-28-2007, 06:46 PM
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Everyone I've come into contact to, everything I've brushed past, everywhere I've been has made an impact on me. I am myself only as far as I have reacted to the world around me. I don't know if the world's real or not, but I'm in it. And what is the message? Live? I haven't figured that out yet, considering that I have never found a lasting happiness.
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