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Old 04-06-2008, 04:52 AM
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Link to a blog I thought was pretty awesome! It's got a bunch of pages of comments, some are pretty interesting.
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Old 04-06-2008, 12:20 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Not that I disagree with the questions posed, but to answer them all with simply "God is imaginary" is just as silly as the the answer "It's God's will." Neither are definitively provable statements, and based more in bias, perspective, and opinion than any sort of facts.

They are questions everyone should ask themselves. Your answers will probably reveal a lot about you as an individual, regardless of your belief.

I won't bother answering unless someone is really interested in me rambling on for a bit, but suffice it to say, these questions in no way disprove a concept of some higher power in the universe.
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Given that religion is not (not, never ever was, never ever will be) a science, you can't debunk it using scientific arguments. Therefore, rational discourse is the only avenue you can take to disprove the validity of the assumptions held by the religious person to the religious person.

I can provide scientific reasons for how humans are made from more than just 'dust' and that the Earth is older than 6,000 years. Those are meaningless, however, to someone who doesn't understand the processes behind the conclusion -- that's why this video was geared towards people with a college education, who would have an idea of how the answers are reached.

In the end, however, you can simply look at history to see the truth.
  • There is no historical mentioning of Jesus Christ, or his alleged miracles.
  • There is no evidence -- ever -- of a global flood that swallowed up the tallest mountains and killed everyone.
  • (And the Epic of Gilgamesh (dated ca. 2,700 B.C.) does not validate the "flood", by the way. According to Bishop James Ussher, whose Young Earth model is widely used by Creationists today, the flood occurred in 2,348 B.C.)
  • Of the millions of cases each year, the Catholic church only recognizes a handful as "miracles".
  • The single greatest cause of death throughout the last 1,000 years has been "God's will" as proposed by man. So caring of a being would have put a stop to this mindless violence.
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I'm not at all religious, and don't (as yet) believe in any "supreme being" or "higher power". How-ever the questions in that blog don't prove anything beyond that if there is a God, he/she or it is not all powerful, and that the Bible contains inaccuracies.

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question 2.) Why are there so many starving people in our world?
It is beyond God's means to provide them with the economic resources to generate the income necessary to obtain sufficient food. (He's not connected with the physical world/can only influence events and not dictate them/etcetera).

question 3.) Why does God demand the death of so many innocent people in the Bible?
God did not write the Bible, it was written and subsequently rewritten and/or translated by other men over the course of history, whom had their own bias and agendas.
(Or one could say he wrote some original version of the text, which was then altered, yadda yadda yadda).

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I'm not at all religious, and don't (as yet) believe in any "supreme being" or "higher power". How-ever the questions in that blog don't prove anything beyond that if there is a God, he/she or it is not all powerful, and that the Bible contains inaccuracies.

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Thank you this was my point.

Or perhaps God is not all powerful in the way we think of him as all powerful.

The strongest arguments for atheism is the flaw in doctrine or dogma in organized religion. It's what made me quasi-atheist briefly.

I believe in God, without the confining walls that religion likes to hang around that concept.
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Here was a response by a kid who just doesn't get anything, apparently.



I actually posted a comment on this, but he deleted it.


and the response from someone else to his responses, which I found amusing:

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What a terrible example of a straw man argument. It's not even legitimate. He made a strawman argument to disprove these questions as strawman arguments.

So according to this guy, everyone deserves to die unless they believe what he believes, slavery is ok as long as it isn't biased by anything dubbed PC by modern culture, and that we're not good (even though it says that everything God created was good in Genesis).

Some of these questions are kind of weak. They try to present themselves as bigger than they are. Some of them are kind of like "chicken or the egg" type questions, that while they may provide thought provoking discussion, they're essentially meaningless.

Of course the makers of the original vid and this kids response don't really want answers from anyone. They both already think they have them.

The Brit's response was pretty good, but anyone who is basing their entire worldview off the christian bible probably will think his problem is he doesn't believe every word of the Bible is literal truth.
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What a terrible example of a straw man argument. It's not even legitimate. He made a strawman argument to disprove these questions as strawman arguments.
As near as I can remember, the comment I posted to the kid's response-video was something like this.

"How hypocritical. You used a straw-man argument to dispel the video's questions, yet you condemn the video for using the same approach. Your hypocrisy descends deeper, though, because all your arguments for why you believe what you do are also straw-man arguments. Perhaps when you turn up some empirical, concrete evidence to support your belief I will make it past the first two minutes of your videos".

It was a tad shorter because of the 400-character limit.

However, he deleted it anyways. Talk about unable to handle some real logical debate.

In fact, he also posted another video that I responded to, only to have my comment deleted. Jeez. Have the courtesy to reply. My other comment was ten times as polite, too!
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