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They examined 11. 7 being from Abu-Ghraib. 4 from Gitmo.
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Ok, howbout the 'they discovered CLEAR evidence of torture" part?
Will you acknowlege that the US has, did, and most likely does torture people abroad?
Again, we are not talking about where the order wasn't applicable, in this case I was talking about the Gitmo detainees. If you think that is legal, you are an idiot. Torture has been illegal for quite a few years, it would take an order from the white house to reinstate it, that is the only way a soldier in the field would be asked/told/ordered to torture a person held in an American prison cell abroad. That is what is documented, that these orders did not come from just some random colonel or general in the field somewhere under high amounts of stress with a grudge against 'arabs'.
Now, will you acknowlege that the order to torture people in American prisons abroad came from the white house?
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That's not a war crime. I don't think that was a crime either. I'm pretty sure that the law states that the AG can bypass the FISA courts.
Not exactly sure of the legality issues. Pretty sure that it's legal.
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You're right, illegal wiretaps aren't war crimes, but you are definitely wrong in them being not illegal, hell the word is in the name, i l l e g a l wiretaps... I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that means they are illegal... Show me the law that says the AG can bypass the FISA courts, I would also like an example of when this would be used to protect American citizens, you know, spy on them without anyone else knowing about it, yeah, how would that help protect American lives?
This is highly illegal, there's actually a bill in the house TODAY about giving the telecom companies immunity from prosecution (which is utter fucking bullshit) for spying illegally on American citizens, after a few dozen of them sued the telecom companies they [the TC's] went crying to daddy Bush to get a law passed so they couldn't do prison terms, and guess what, I bet it passes.
October 1st, 2002 Bush recieved intel from the CIA stating Sadaam IS CLEARLY NOT an immediate threat to the US. October 7th, 2002 (on my birthday) Bush addresses the nation and says "Iraq is a direct threat to the peace in the middle east and to the US" "an attack from Iraq is IMMINENT". So there are only a few conclusions one can come up with from this information, a. Bush never read the CIA's report and went with what he thought was best at the time (essentially not lying, but not acting as a president should either, if this is the case, he should be held accountable none the less) b. he read it, just disregarded it and still went with what he thought was best at the time (illegal) or c. he read it and tried to manipulate it so that the American public stirred more towards war with Iraq (illegal). There is no way he did not read it, so option a. is out. That leaves us with two options both of which Bush gets quite a lengthy prison sentence... So which is it?
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No. Even if a lot of those were crimes....which they aren't, they certainly wouldn't be "war crimes"....and there wouldn't be death sentences.
If they can show that there is torture happening at Gitmo, ordered by the president...that may be something. The rest. No.
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Well they are definitely on their way to proving torture does take place at Gitmo. How is conducting illegal wiretaps, lying about important information when it has such huge consequences, and torturing prisoners held in American custody, not illegal? What world do you live in RW? I hate to break it to you but we do not live in an anarchy society, and no matter how much you love the guy, even the president of the United States is subject to each and every law that you and I are, and MUST be held accountable like the rest of us would be.
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You have no idea what you are talking about.
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trea-son -
1. the offense of acting to overthrow one's government or to harm or kill its sovereign.
2. a violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or to one's state.
3. the betrayal of a trust or confidence; breach of faith; treachery.
Check, check, check... I know what I'm talking about. Learn the laws.